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Did E3 Do Anything For Xbox?

Yes, Just Wait For Scorpio 24 8.60%
 
Yes, But Only A Little 78 27.96%
 
Nope 177 63.44%
 
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Spade on 12 June 2017

I got reasons to play Xbox this year... PS as well.

Don't see the overreaction here, they show games, people bitch and complain. Lot of multiplats this fall and holiday and some exclusives.



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jason1637 on 12 June 2017
thismeintiel said:
jason1637 said:
Nah they announced a lot of games im excited to play.

 

spemanig said:

Yeah, I don't see the disappointment. I've had my Xbox for months and haven't plugged it in yet. Now I want to. This is a huge win for me.

This thread isn't really about current XBO owners, though.  I do think there are probably more who are disappointed than are happy with it, but still, that's not what I'm talking about.  This is more about general interest from consumers, which then go on to buy the system.  If the sales on Amazon and Gamestop are anything to go by, E3 did nothing for the XBO.  People are just not interested in purchasing it.  This E3 needed to change that around if XBO's fortunes are to change.

Mummelmann said:
They had what was probably the best presentation of the lot though, but the One as a concept and platform has gone on too long in its current state and they stumbled not only out of the gate, but even before they reached it.

When you say "of the lot,"  I take it you mean their previous E3 conferences and not the other Big 2.  I agree it had a much better flow to it than the past ones.  But, the content that was shown was definitely not of the caliber of the past ones.  I mean, many the titles they showed were timed exclusive indies or multiplats.  And while they looked good, that's not going to get people to buy your system.  Especially when those indies will also be 4K on the Pro and the AAA multiplats will look 90%-95% the same on the Pro.  And boy, did Crackdown take a hit on the visuals.

But the Xbox One X isn't even available for preorder yet so isn't it a bit to soon to say E3 did nothing for it?



irstupid on 12 June 2017
drkohler said:
I think they were somewhat outmaneuvered by Sony.
It was said that Sony had acquired most of the advertising rights for the "cool 3rd party stuff". That seems true as we didn't see a single trailer of all those games at the presentation. In the end, the whole thing appeared somewhat barren of "cool stuff". 2D side scrollers, cartoonish stuff, and for heaven's sake: Minecraft, weren't really the right stuff to show 4k superiority. So it didn't help at all that most of the stuff they did show is easily reproducible on a PS4 Pro with the same perceived quality.
It will be interesting to see what Sony does today. If they fall into the "show all the cool 3rd party stuff" trap then XBox fans can simply add "...and it will look better on the X" (and probably be right in some cases).

Well I woudl argue that Anthem looked like what is probably the coolest game I imagine we will see all E3.

And that is coming from someone that can probably guarantee you that I will not even get the game.

Hiku said:

Well there are two ways to look at it.

For current Xbox owners, I think it was a pretty good showing. They focused on showeing game after game and spent little time talking. Hell, it was a good showing for PS4 owners as well.

But for potential Xbox customers and expanding the brand, you'd expect they would do more to promote Xbox One X at least with some new first party games designed to make the most out of the system.

But kind of the same situation that the Pro had. Can't really show off new games fro the system without alienating your prior systems. This is a mid-gen console, so all games will still work on prior consoles. Thus doesn' thave the "wow"

I mean when watching all the trailers this E3 for Sony or MS, one has to realize that they will be using the Pro or the X to showcase, or even a PC enhanced version. Thus the majority of gamers out there are being "lied" to in a way. Watching some smooth 4k 60fps visuals when I get it on my slim or one, it will be 900/720 and 22 fps or some junk.

But that is the problem with this midgen stuff that fans have been clamoring for. They all want their iphone yearly updates and s's for consoles i guess.



Tulipanzo on 12 June 2017

I've said this already, their marketing strategies for their mid-gen refreshes have been very different: 

Sony: "We are still committed to the PS4, the Pro is just an addition. If you're interested, here's Mark Cerny talking softly about checker-boarding for an hour"

MS: "It's the next-gen step in gaming! The definitive XBox console and the right way to play! WITNESS THE MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE EVER!!!!! $499!!!"

A guess as to which has resulted in lower sales for its base hardware



thismeintiel on 12 June 2017
RolStoppable said:
I disagree about your portrayed narrative before E3. The VGC consensus was that the Xbox One is dead and buried, and the only remaining question was if we should spit or dance on its grave.

I wasn't talking about VGC, in general, but mostly Xbox fans.  And not just the diehards.  Quite a few of them thought this would be like a soft reboot of the brand.  $399 price to appeal to the masses, with a few AAA exclusives announced to push the system.  That didn't happen.

irstupid said:
drkohler said:
I think they were somewhat outmaneuvered by Sony.
It was said that Sony had acquired most of the advertising rights for the "cool 3rd party stuff". That seems true as we didn't see a single trailer of all those games at the presentation. In the end, the whole thing appeared somewhat barren of "cool stuff". 2D side scrollers, cartoonish stuff, and for heaven's sake: Minecraft, weren't really the right stuff to show 4k superiority. So it didn't help at all that most of the stuff they did show is easily reproducible on a PS4 Pro with the same perceived quality.
It will be interesting to see what Sony does today. If they fall into the "show all the cool 3rd party stuff" trap then XBox fans can simply add "...and it will look better on the X" (and probably be right in some cases).

Well I woudl argue that Anthem looked like what is probably the coolest game I imagine we will see all E3.

And that is coming from someone that can probably guarantee you that I will not even get the game.

Hiku said:

Well there are two ways to look at it.

For current Xbox owners, I think it was a pretty good showing. They focused on showeing game after game and spent little time talking. Hell, it was a good showing for PS4 owners as well.

But for potential Xbox customers and expanding the brand, you'd expect they would do more to promote Xbox One X at least with some new first party games designed to make the most out of the system.

But kind of the same situation that the Pro had. Can't really show off new games fro the system without alienating your prior systems. This is a mid-gen console, so all games will still work on prior consoles. Thus doesn' thave the "wow"

I mean when watching all the trailers this E3 for Sony or MS, one has to realize that they will be using the Pro or the X to showcase, or even a PC enhanced version. Thus the majority of gamers out there are being "lied" to in a way. Watching some smooth 4k 60fps visuals when I get it on my slim or one, it will be 900/720 and 22 fps or some junk.

But that is the problem with this midgen stuff that fans have been clamoring for. They all want their iphone yearly updates and s's for consoles i guess.

Anthem did look nice.  Of course, they ended their conference that was supposed to showcase why you need an Xbox with a multiplat, which says it all.  And I don't even think they announced anything that was exclusive about it, either.  Content or DLC.

As for the 2nd part, I think that is why Sony did its own event for it.  It was a much smarter way to go about it.  This was E3.  This is where MS needed to pull out all the stops.  Go all in.  Make people need the Scorpio.  I think it's just obvious they really don't care whether it succeeds or fails.  If it does fail, they'll switch even more focus to Windows gaming.  They just want to make some profit on it while it's available, not try to rebuild the Xbox brand.

Tulipanzo said:

I've said this already, their marketing strategies for their mid-gen refreshes have been very different: 

Sony: "We are still committed to the PS4, the Pro is just an addition. If you're interested, here's Mark Cerny talking softly about checker-boarding for an hour"


MS: "It's the next-gen step in gaming! The definitive XBox console and the right way to play! WITNESS THE MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE EVER!!!!! $499!!!"

A guess as to which has resulted in lower sales for its base hardware

Except all of those games are also available on the XBO S.  And they are having a sale on that with quite a few models marked down to $249.  That should lead to a resurgence of sales, not the same or less.  Also, the $499 price is a turn off the mass consumer.  So, a $249 XBO S that plays the same games would be more appealing.



 

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Tulipanzo on 12 June 2017
thismeintiel said:
Tulipanzo said:

I've said this already, their marketing strategies for their mid-gen refreshes have been very different: 

Sony: "We are still committed to the PS4, the Pro is just an addition. If you're interested, here's Mark Cerny talking softly about checker-boarding for an hour"


MS: "It's the next-gen step in gaming! The definitive XBox console and the right way to play! WITNESS THE MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE EVER!!!!! $499!!!"

A guess as to which has resulted in lower sales for its base hardware

Except all of those games are also available on the XBO S.  And they are having a sale on that with quite a few models marked down to $249.  That should lead to a resurgence of sales, not the same or less.  Also, the $499 price is a turn off the mass consumer.  So, a $249 XBO S that plays the same games would be more appealing.

I know! What I am saying is that marketing your mid-gen refresh as a next-gen console made the base XBox One look indesirable to most consumers, unlike Sony's softer marketing push for the Pro, which hasn't lead to a fall in sales for the base PS4.



Zoombael on 12 June 2017

Microsoft does little for the Xbox brand, especially their newly introduced hardware. It's painful to watch.

They show excruciating long footage of Sea Of Thieves and State of Decay 2, both small games, both scheduled for 2018, both well demonstrated. However, Crackdown 3, coming this year November, all they have is a two and half minute trailer. A game that would be a good showcase for a new box that is to be launched at the exact same date.



Hunting Season is done...

irstupid on 12 June 2017
Hiku said:
irstupid said:

Well I woudl argue that Anthem looked like what is probably the coolest game I imagine we will see all E3.

And that is coming from someone that can probably guarantee you that I will not even get the game.

But kind of the same situation that the Pro had. Can't really show off new games fro the system without alienating your prior systems. This is a mid-gen console, so all games will still work on prior consoles. Thus doesn' thave the "wow"

I mean when watching all the trailers this E3 for Sony or MS, one has to realize that they will be using the Pro or the X to showcase, or even a PC enhanced version. Thus the majority of gamers out there are being "lied" to in a way. Watching some smooth 4k 60fps visuals when I get it on my slim or one, it will be 900/720 and 22 fps or some junk.

But that is the problem with this midgen stuff that fans have been clamoring for. They all want their iphone yearly updates and s's for consoles i guess.

Kind of, but due to how the situation between Pro and XB1X differs, expectations for how XB1X would be promoted was different as well.
There wasn't a lot of time and promotion between the reveal and release of Pro. They made some adds about checkerboard 4K, and then just kind of threw it out and said have fun. And because Pro's price point is the same as the starting price of PS4, it's a bit of an easier sell.

But Microsoft have been really pushing the power narrative of Scorpio agressively for almost a year with a lot of different slogans and hype building. And they chose to unveil it on the biggest stage at E3. It's price is above a standard console price, so they need something more to make the sale. Obviously that would be the power difference. But you want to be able to convey it in a way that gets people interested. Even though their games have to work on the original Xbox One, I'm sure they could have shown something new that would look recognisably impressive for Xbox One X.

Well that is what is hard about selling a mid-gen version. How do you showcase how much better the games look or run? I doubt MS wants to have a side by side comparison showing a game running 4k/60fps on the one X and then the same game stuttering along at 900p/25fps on the One. While is does promote the one, it kind of bashes another of your products and console owners. You have to somehow sell your premium device while still making current owners feel like they are still being respecteed/appreciated.



thismeintiel on 12 June 2017
Neodegenerate said:
thismeintiel said:

When you say "of the lot,"  I take it you mean their previous E3 conferences and not the other Big 2.  I agree it had a much better flow to it than the past ones.  But, the content that was shown was definitely not of the caliber of the past ones.  I mean, many the titles they showed were timed exclusive indies or multiplats.  And while they looked good, that's not going to get people to buy your system.  Especially when those indies will also be 4K on the Pro and the AAA multiplats will look 90%-95% the same on the Pro.  And boy, did Crackdown take a hit on the visuals.

That's because it was sunny out, no cloud to help it run.

 

Ok yup, I will see myself out.

Don't go.  That was funny. 

Tulipanzo said:
thismeintiel said:

Except all of those games are also available on the XBO S.  And they are having a sale on that with quite a few models marked down to $249.  That should lead to a resurgence of sales, not the same or less.  Also, the $499 price is a turn off the mass consumer.  So, a $249 XBO S that plays the same games would be more appealing.

I know! What I am saying is that marketing your mid-gen refresh as a next-gen console made the base XBox One look indesirable to most consumers, unlike Sony's softer marketing push for the Pro, which hasn't lead to a fall in sales for the base PS4.

Ok, gotcha.  No need to shout. 

I can understand why they did that, though.  They already got caught with their pants down at launch, when Sony suddenly announced the PS4 in Feb.  Then, they had to hurry up and respond, while also adding features, like game DVR to match the PS4.  This time they weren't exactly ready for mid-gen refreshes, so had to hurry up and get out their own.  So, while Sony was enjoying 20% of PS4 sales being Pros, MS had to keep shouting from the hills about Scorpio so they weren't left out of the picture for a whole year.

It probably wouldn't have been so bad if MS wasn't spending less on Xbox and they could have gotten some 3rd party advertising deals.  Instead, all the big AAA games have been tied to PS4.

Zoombael said:
Microsoft does little for the Xbox brand, especially their newly introduced hardware. It's painful to watch.

They show excruciating long footage of Sea Of Thieves and State of Decay 2, both small games, both scheduled for 2018, both well demonstrated. However, Crackdown 3, coming this year November, all they have is a two and half minute trailer. A game that would be a good showcase for a new box that is to be launched at the exact same date.

Honestly, I think MS may be trying to hide that the game isn't going to be as big as they originally pitched it.  I mean, going by that trailer, the visuals have taken a hit (even in 4K that's not going to look that great) and it didn't really look that large in scope.



 

LivingMetal on 12 June 2017

It's safe to say that Microsoft did little for the Xbox.