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Psyberius said:

palou said:
Please, no knee-jerk reactions. Wait it out a bit, see what exactly they find, and in a week, perhaps, make your conclusions.

What knee jerk?  I'm learning more and more that this stuff needs to be attacked and dealt with NOW. If it doesn't it dies and gets swept under the rug like a whole bunch of things Trump has said and done. He's done nothing while he's been in office versus saying he was going to have a million things done by now. He's a liar, he admitted the job wasn't what he thought it was and he's not fit for it.

He already accomplished the #1 goal of millions of his voters when he confirmed Gorusch. I know some don't really care what happens in the following years, because that's only lasting impact made so far in his presidency.



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DevilRising said:
Perhaps we could all stop caring about the Russia-Trump Conspiracy, and just all admit like rational, educated adults, that he man was a joke of a human being long before he ever decided to start pretending to be a politician, and it is one of the single biggest embarrassments in United States history that a person such as this could literally buy his way into the White House, because people on the far right are too idiotic to put up an even half-way decent candidate, and people on the far left, were too blind and enamored with the idea of "Having Our First Lady President", that they ignored the DECENT candidate running against her.

It is a sick joke that Donald Trump got elected President of the United States of a America, without question. I have no doubt that history will see it that way. BUT, what people in America are CONTINUING to be willfully blind to, is the fact that the reason this even HAPPENED, or was even POSSIBLE to happen, is specifically BECAUSE of what you see, everywhere, even in here, in in this thread. You want to talk about Americans being "brainwashed" or conditioned? Try the fact that the Americans who actually BOTHER voting in the first place, have been conditioned for decades to vote for one of the Big Two parties, ignoring all other options. And that most of THEM, be them "Dem" or "GOP", can and often will blindly vote for whatever candidate their party puts in front of them in a given election, because that's what they've been told is the right thing to do. Because, as we all know, "The Democrats have to SAVE the country by keeping those evil Republicans out of office", and "The Republicans have to SAVE the country by keeping out those evil DEMS". It's an insipid, childish cycle, and the only people who ever actually win in this ongoing scenario, are the Big Two parties, the rich candidates they prop up, and their corporate special interest friends.

First of all, this last election saw one of the lowest ACTUAL voter turnouts in a very long time. So when you talk about "incredibly close" final vote percentages, you're talking about portions of an even SMALLER pool than usual.. It is already a fact that MOST Americans of voting age, DON'T bother voting. That is why in a nation with some 300 million or so odd people, you typically see significantly less than 30 million total votes, in this instance in a Presidential Election. A lot of those people don't vote, because they are apathetic and simply don't care what goes on in the nation, or the world, so long as it doesn't affect them directly, immediately. And many others DO actually care, but have come to the conclusion that their vote is ultimately meaningless, and won't help change anything. And THAT group is the one that affected this last election the most. Not overzealous femenists voting for Hillary, or asshole "Alt-Right" geeks and old deep-friend rednecks passionately voting for Trump. Those two groups COMBINED make up only a fraction of the American population. A LOT of people, on various points in the political spectrum (And yes that includes many traditional conservatives), either voted for a third party option that never has any real chance of winning, like Johnson, or they didn't vote at all, BECAUSE they couldnt' stomach either candidate.

Donald Trump didn't win because Alt-Right "Nazis" are taking over America, any more than he won because obnoxious SJWs were pushing for a corrupt candidate just because she had a vagina. Trump "won", because MOST Americans simply didn't vote. The people who actually could have swayed the election in Clinton's favor, didn't bother, because they saw her for what she is: a lying, conniving, phony, corporately bought and owned asshole. The Republican Party allowed itself to get highjacked by Trump, because they were SO desperate to get their asses back in the White House at any cost, that they went to bed with a slug of a man whom they didn't even LIKE or truly endorse. And The Democrats, meanwhile, instead of riding the tidal wave of enthusiasm of a candidate who not only had a historical amount (as in near 100%) of VOTER funding for his campaign, but who also coincidentally had a historically high youth vote, chose to stick with the "Status Quo". Hillary had been the "anointed one", destined to be the First Female President, even before her husband left office. It just so HAPPENED that the people in charge of the DNC, were some of her biggest supporters and allies.

So what we the American voting public got, was quite possibly THE worst choice of evils in a Presidential election, maybe ever. And that's saying something, because W. Bush vs. Kerry was PRETTY goddamn bad. But the bottom line is, to MOST Americans, BOTH candidates were incredibly unlikable, corrupt, untrustworthy, you name it. Even to many who actually DID vote, they voted for them STILL disliking them, but they still had to "toe that party line". And THAT is why Donald Trump is now the President of the United States of America. Not because he rode some tidal wave of populist approval. But as an apathetic afterthought, and a symptom of a socio-political disease that has infected this nation for...well, for most of it's existence actually. But it's certainly gotten worse, this "Two Party System" bullshit, and the corruption circle-jerk in DC that encompasses it, within the last few decades.

Me? It makes me sick that Trump is President. But I also feel the same as I did on election day: That both choices were equally fucked, and I wasn't about to put my stamp on either one of those people. Many Americans felt that way too, obviously. So I feel, as I did then, that America is sleeping in the bed they made. If Trump is the kind of cartoonish level of scumbag that people will allow to even BECOME a Nominee, let alone WIN an election? Then he is precisely what America deserves right now. Until we as a people can perhaps grow the hell up, STOP being so fixated on this "Liberal vs. Conservative" bullshit, get our the nation's head out of it's ass, and actually PROGRESS as a people. It's the 21st Century, yet a lot of folks, even YOUNG folks, act as if we're still stuck in the fuckin' 1950s.

Well said dude. I'm not old enough to vote but if I was idk if I woulda voted cause like you said they both suck :P



Ka-pi96 said:
Who is Josep Stalin?

Joseph Stalin's Spanish brother? Isn't it incredibly dicriminatory to assume he's a dictator or whatever just because he happens to share a surname with his Russian brother?

At least soemone isn't losing a sense of humor just because the subject is political...

 

Thnaks, I needed a break after reading pages of debate between the deaf...



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Psyberius said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

This dumb ass Russian conspiracy thing is just never gonna die is it.. My god, I knew the media had the power to influence peoples minds but I had no idea until recently just how powerful they can be in flat out brain washing people with the most dumb ass shit imaginable. People could probably be told by mainstream media and their party of choice that the world is flat and a large segment of the population will believe them..

Probably die once the FBI stops findeg evidence that Russia helped put Trump in power as well as the #3 most powerful man in the American government REFUSING to testify to a congressional search for Russia interference as well as other seriously high members of Trumps government showing up with handshakes with known Russian spies.

I mean geeze, that pesky evidence just keeps coming up.  Might as well ignore it though because we never should have the truth!

How did they help? Where is all this evidence? What SPECIFICALLY did they do to directly influence the election (or hell, even indirectly for that matter) Hack the voting machines? Use their magical communist waves to brainwash Americans at the polling booths?

And for what purpose? What is Russia's motive? For what interest do they have in using Trump as a puppet leader? Take over our resources? Conquer us? Blow us up? 

If people insist on making these idiotic baseless claims, they need to own up to them with the details that actually support it. I've yet to see a single bit of evidence, outside of some vague suspicion that Russia MIGHT have been related to the wikileaks hack of the DNC/Hillary emails.. So basically, on the long shot THAT'S even true, then they merely exposed corruption that was already there. To which I say, GOOD! Americans were able to see the corruption collusion within the DNC, and politicians in general, which god knows the mainstream media would never dare expose as they have quite a cozy relationship with eachother. Notice how most Americans seem to be ok with the fact that we've meddled in the election of SEVERAL third world countries however..

Honestly, do we really want to return to the Red Scare/Cold World type of relations with Russia? Because that's where we're headed.. And do people really think it's wise to demonize and raise tensions between the US and the other biggest carrier of nuclear arms in the world? Freaking bizzaro world I'm living in..

In addition - It's funny that, on the other hand, there does seem to be some solid evidence that many illegals DID actually vote for Hillary during the election though, but not a peep from the authoritarian left on that one. But boy are they sure up in arms about some goofy conspiracy theory with litterally zero evidence to support it! The fact is the DNC just can't come to grips with the fact that they stupidly trotted out one of the most hated politicians ever, and ultimately lost an election to a xenophobic buffoon of a reality TV host with no political experience. Now they are try to use excuses and save face, hence the Russia finger pointing..

I'm not even a republican btw, actually somewhat left libertarian if anything, and I'm certainly not a Trump supporter. I just have a tendency to recognize hypocracy, double standards, and general bs regardless of which side it comes from. And at least in the last few years, the left has taken the cake as far as that is concerned.. Then they wonder why they continue to lose votes, including the seemingly indestructable blue wall that they've held since freaking Reagan. 



 

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DarthMetalliCube said:
Psyberius said:

Probably die once the FBI stops findeg evidence that Russia helped put Trump in power as well as the #3 most powerful man in the American government REFUSING to testify to a congressional search for Russia interference as well as other seriously high members of Trumps government showing up with handshakes with known Russian spies.

I mean geeze, that pesky evidence just keeps coming up.  Might as well ignore it though because we never should have the truth!

How did they help? Where is all this evidence? What SPECIFICALLY did they do to directly influence the election (or hell, even indirectly for that matter) Hack the voting machines? Use their magical communist waves to brainwash Americans at the polling booths?

And for what purpose? What is Russia's motive? For what interest do they have in using Trump as a puppet leader? Take over our resources? Conquer us? Blow us up? 

If people insist on making these idiotic baseless claims, they need to own up to them with the details that actually support it. I've yet to see a single bit of evidence, outside of some vague suspicion that Russia MIGHT have been related to the wikileaks hack of the DNC/Hillary emails.. So basically, on the long shot THAT'S even true, then they merely exposed corruption that was already there. To which I say, GOOD! Americans were able to see the corruption collusion within the DNC, and politicians in general, which god knows the mainstream media would never dare expose as they have quite a cozy relationship with eachother. Notice how most Americans seem to be ok with the fact that we've meddled in the election of SEVERAL third world countries however..

Honestly, do we really want to return to the Red Scare/Cold World type of relations with Russia? Because that's where we're headed.. And do people really think it's wise to demonize and raise tensions between the US and the other biggest carrier of nuclear arms in the world? Freaking bizzaro world I'm living in..

In addition - It's funny that, on the other hand, there does seem to be some solid evidence that many illegals DID actually vote for Hillary during the election though, but not a peep from the authoritarian left on that one. But boy are they sure up in arms about some goofy conspiracy theory with litterally zero evidence to support it! The fact is the DNC just can't come to grips with the fact that they stupidly trotted out one of the most hated politicians ever, and ultimately lost an election to a xenophobic buffoon of a reality TV host with no political experience. Now they are try to use excuses and save face, hence the Russia finger pointing..

I'm not even a republican btw, actually somewhat left libertarian if anything, and I'm certainly not a Trump supporter. I just have a tendency to recognize hypocracy, double standards, and general bs regardless of which side it comes from. And at least in the last few years, the left has taken the cake as far as that is concerned.. Then they wonder why they continue to lose votes, including the seemingly indestructable blue wall that they've held since freaking Reagan. 

LOL at the bolded. Of course Russia would want influence over the White House. 

Let there be a full, impartial investigation. If there's nothing to hide, why is Trump afraid? 



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See, there is your problem, you're quoting fake news. CNN is fake news, the president said it.



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Zekkyou said:
I imagine death makes leadership fairly difficult for Stalin at the moment.

Who says he's dead?



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SuaveSocialist said:

No one is in charge of the United States; under Beloved Leader Kim-Jong Drumpf, it is formally known as "West Korea" or the "Democratic People's Republic of Amerika".

That's just what happens when a Constitutional Republic becomes a Banana Republic in 110 days.

Now, your username kind of confuses me. What do you consider to be socialism, exactly? Because most socialists would generally have extreme issues with the US long before Trump's presidency.

The issues I've had with the US up to 112 days ago are in a different league than the issues I have with the DPRA.  As bad as things were before, things are so bad now that I (and plenty of other people I know worldwide) won't even acknowledge it as a legitimate country.  "Extreme issues" are even more extreme.  Looks internally consistent to me.  

I don't consider my form of Socialism to have changed since you asked me about it on my wall, but you could very well be more knowledgable than I about how bad things were in the US.  Maybe things weren't that different between then and now, but it looks a lot different from where I sit.  If this is the case and you bring me up to speed, I'll probably conclude that the US became West Korea even earlier than I thought...and I'd have to keep this in mind during the next 100 day review of Trump, because I consider such a transition worth mentioning if it happened when I think it happened.  

So...internal consistency either way.  Hopefully that clears up any confusion.



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