Every once in a while, I still come back to this forum out of morbid curiosity, just to see if the discussion topics are still as dumb and hyperbole-driven as they were the last time I came here. And, every time I come back, it's reaffirmed that yes... yes they are.

I'd say wait and see for games like Battlefront in 2018. Switch will be compelling for many publishers if Nintendo manages their 10 million FY and games like Skyrim clear the million seller mark.

I think that if Skyrim and FIFA sell well, it would really convince Western developpers to release more games on the Switch.

What does that have to do with what he said? All he is saying is that the fanbase for THOSE game series wouldnt play them on Switch if they already have systems that already play them, which is the truth.

Agreed. I just think perhaps some Nintendo fans are getting a little ahead of themselves because the past couple months have been good. We actually don't know at this point if the Switch is going to be a long-term success, and there are a lot of cards Nintendo has to play right to sustain it. Remember the Wii U actually sold pretty well for a few months before the bottom dropped out of it.

Of course, but you're also comparing it to the worst selling Nintendo home console of all time. Let's hope those numbers aren't comparible! However, I'm also of the mind that even a Switch that sells double what the Wii U did can't be called a success. This isn't a sprint, it's a marathon, and the Switch is barely out of the gates. By all means, but there are reasons that continue to persist that should force rational people to be more cautiously optimistic about the Switch going forward.

your deep well thought out analytics have me convinced

The feel is very different, but I do think we can come up with some tangibles:

- A truly ambitious Zelda game makes for a way better, "must have" launch game than formulaic New SMB, or Pilotwings.
- The Switch hardware concept does not have anything repulsive about it, in fact it's very cool if not "revolutionary" like Wii.
- The Switch also doesn't try to trojan-horse itself as an already-popular brand (only to deliver a very different gaming experience).
- The Switch is pushing classic brands like Skyrim, Tetris, Minecraft and Street Fighter II instead of sloppy seconds like Batman Arkham City and Ninja Gaiden III.

Also, we'll see how it works out, but for my two cents, I think the strategy of pacing out game releases so there's always something new is great.  I waited a whole year to buy a Wii U and never felt like I was missing out on much...the launch period of Wii U was exciting but then it took about 8 months for Nintendo to accumulate even 2 games that I considered "must have" - Pikmin 3 and Earthbound (and isn't it sad that a 20 year old SNES game was one of my must-haves?)

Interesting that you already know the quality of Destiny 2 and Battlefront 2 because of the scores their predecessors got. 

The scores do also not change that these games (especially Destiny) got a huge fanbase. People want these games even if they won't get great scores. And when people want these games, they need a platform they will be available for. 

I really didn't like Destiny and found Battlefront in the state it was released unneeded but common, we all know these games will sell like crazy and are super important for many gamers. 

I'm not saying that Switch needs these games to be successful, just that many gamers want them.  Saying something else is lying to yourself. 

I think the switch will flop (under 40 mil) if Nintendo hasn't learned from the Wii U and doesn't have many 3rd party games. I know that some expect it to sell handheld or handheld + home console numbers but that's unrealistic with it being a unproven concept for a console. No one really knows what is gonna happen. If nintendo does things right, it will probably sell 80 to 110 mil. In my opinion, Nintendo is already making some mistakes with it, though.