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Alkibiádēs on 14 April 2017
TheBlackNaruto said:
Alkibiádēs said:

I never hear someone talk about the PS1 library anymore besides FF VII, Castlevania and Crash Bandicoot. Nintendo had better games than that on their system. 

Really? Then you must not talk to many people. Because they talk about WAY more games than that....Parasite Eve, Legend Of Dragoon, Tekken 3, Xenogears, MGS, Spyro, FF 8 and FF 9, Chrono Cross, Resident Evil, Legacy Of Kain, Vagrant Story, Parappa, Tony Hawk, SFA 3, Silent Hill and those are just off the top of my head that people still talk about when discussing the PS1. The PS1 BY FAR had more AND better games than the N64.....and there is nothing wrong with that. I still loved my N64 but the PS1 without question had more games and better games.....with far more variety.

From those games only MGS is still being talked about. Played that on my PC, so I don't really identify it with PS tbh. 

Are you really going to compare Parasite Eve, Vagrant Story and Legacy Kain to games like Banjo-Kazooie, Banjo-Tooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Goldeneye 64, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Super Mario 64, Super Smash Bros., Paper Mario, Mario Kart 64, etc.? You're just proving my point here. 

It had more games, that's all that can be said about the PS1.



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VGPolyglot on 14 April 2017
Alkibiádēs said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Really? Then you must not talk to many people. Because they talk about WAY more games than that....Parasite Eve, Legend Of Dragoon, Tekken 3, Xenogears, MGS, Spyro, FF 8 and FF 9, Chrono Cross, Resident Evil, Legacy Of Kain, Vagrant Story, Parappa, Tony Hawk, SFA 3, Silent Hill and those are just off the top of my head that people still talk about when discussing the PS1. The PS1 BY FAR had more AND better games than the N64.....and there is nothing wrong with that. I still loved my N64 but the PS1 without question had more games and better games.....with far more variety.

From those games only MGS is still being talked about. Played that on my PC, so I don't really identify it with PS tbh. 

Are you really going to compare Parasite Eve, Vagrant Story and Legacy Kain to games like Banjo-Kazooie, Banjo-Tooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Goldeneye 64, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Super Mario 64, Super Smash Bros., Paper Mario, Mario Kart 64, etc.? You're just proving my point here. 

It had more games, that's all that can be said about the PS1.

Yeah, we're going to compare it. Also, they must still be talked about if we're talking about them!



Alkibiádēs on 14 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Alkibiádēs said:

From those games only MGS is still being talked about. Played that on my PC, so I don't really identify it with PS tbh. 

Are you really going to compare Parasite Eve, Vagrant Story and Legacy Kain to games like Banjo-Kazooie, Banjo-Tooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Goldeneye 64, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Super Mario 64, Super Smash Bros., Paper Mario, Mario Kart 64, etc.? You're just proving my point here. 

It had more games, that's all that can be said about the PS1.

Yeah, we're going to compare it. Also, they must still be talked about if we're talking about them!

Can't say I've ever heard about most of the games he listed.

And I only played PC and PS1 in my childhood years btw. For me Soul Blade and Syphon Filter are much more iconic than most of the games he listed. Best games on the PS1 for me. 



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solidpumar on 14 April 2017

Reason playstation sold more than n64 was because of piracy and because sony later could drop the price further with psone.



VGPolyglot on 14 April 2017
RolStoppable said:
pokoko said:

You're seriously telling me that 4 button movement is anywhere near to being as precise as an analog stick?  

If so, then why isn't Nintendo (and everyone else) still using it?

Four buttons are good enough for movement, hence why it's still standard on the PC.

The reason why Sony's controller got a second stick is most likely that there wasn't enough space for C-buttons on their PS controller and the stick could serve the same functionality on top of maintaining a symmetric shape. Nintendo's design for the GC controller was deliberately going for fewer buttons to have a more accessible look (also the reason for the emphasis on the A button), so it made sense to replace four buttons with a stick. It is here where I have to make a better argument against myself than you are capable of: The C-stick of the GC controller is unsurprisingly superior to the C-buttons for camera controls. Small tidbit since it's appropriate: The C-buttons were named that way because they were made for Camera controls in Super Mario 64, hence the weird naming of C-Up, C-Right, C-Down and C-Left.

But none of this should distract from the original point of contention. A second stick is not revolutionary, it is merely evolutionary. First person games could already be played fine on the Nintendo 64, and the N64's first person games being more memorable and higher regarded than the PS1's counterparts prove this.

Like I said in the post you skipped over, you have yet to explain how a second stick was revolutionary. Your first attempt was to point at games in FPP, but that fell flat on its face because the Nintendo 64 already did those games.

If we're going that route, the PS1 had first-person games before the N64 was even released, like Doom and King's Field.



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Aeolus451 on 14 April 2017
RolStoppable said:
VGPolyglot said:

First-Person games, left stick to move, right stick to look, in a way much more precise than previously possible on consoles (obviously PC had mouselook).

There isn't any increase in precision compared to C-buttons to move and stick to look. Since you've already mentioned the PC, the common setup is WASD to move and mouse to look. Movement doesn't need to be analog.

That's very inaccurate. Compare the controls of Goldeneye to any shooter that uses two analog sticks for movement and aiming. There's a world of difference in the precision of the controls.  



VGPolyglot on 14 April 2017
RolStoppable said:
VGPolyglot said:

If we're going that route, the PS1 had first-person games before the N64 was even released, like Doom and King's Field.

The SNES had Doom as well, but why count it when it was controlled with d-pad and buttons.

OK then, what was your argument supposed to be? That dual-analog is not revolutionary in terms of FPP, because they already existed with the N64. So, I then said that the PS1 had FPP games before the single-analog stick. But now that doesn't count?



TheBlackNaruto on 14 April 2017
Alkibiádēs said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Really? Then you must not talk to many people. Because they talk about WAY more games than that....Parasite Eve, Legend Of Dragoon, Tekken 3, Xenogears, MGS, Spyro, FF 8 and FF 9, Chrono Cross, Resident Evil, Legacy Of Kain, Vagrant Story, Parappa, Tony Hawk, SFA 3, Silent Hill and those are just off the top of my head that people still talk about when discussing the PS1. The PS1 BY FAR had more AND better games than the N64.....and there is nothing wrong with that. I still loved my N64 but the PS1 without question had more games and better games.....with far more variety.

From those games only MGS is still being talked about. Played that on my PC, so I don't really identify it with PS tbh. 

Are you really going to compare Parasite Eve, Vagrant Story and Legacy Kain to games like Banjo-Kazooie, Banjo-Tooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Goldeneye 64, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Super Mario 64, Super Smash Bros., Paper Mario, Mario Kart 64, etc.? You're just proving my point here. 

It had more games, that's all that can be said about the PS1.

You can't be serious...so no one talks abou tekken 3, FF 8 or FF 9, Resident Evil, Chrono Cross, Legend of Dragoon, Tony Hawk, Street Figher Alpha 3, Xenogears or the ones I mentioned after I quoted you like Syphon Filter, Soul Blade, Rival Schools, Twisted Metal, Tomb Raider etc and you haven't heard of most of them?

Either you are lying(no disrepect) or you just started gaming recently....because there is NO WAY you have never Heard of Tony Hawk, FF 8 and FF 9, Tekken 3, Resident Evil, Silent Hill and Street Figher Alpha 3. And for you statement of you have never heard of most of them to be true that would mean you have never heard of most of just those games I just named.....and since you singled out Parasite Eve, Vagrant Story and Legacy of Kain(which all 3 happen to be on almost EVERY list of the greatest PS1 games of all time) I will assume you have heard of those 3. That doesn't leave that many from the very short list I gave lol. Also you can't say I am proving your point then list 2 Banjo-Kazooie games, 2 Zelda games and 4 Mario games and still have a list smaller than the one I provided. That hurts your point it doesn't help it lol. And yes those games(The 3 you singled out for some reason) all compare very well to all the games you mentioned.

Look again I have no issue with the N64...I loved it and it had some GREAT games but they pale in comparison to the PS1 Library. So the PS1 had more games, a wider variety and a better library in general. Doesn't take away from the fact that the N64 had some amazing games as well.....just not as many as the PS1.



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think-man on 14 April 2017
DevilRising said:
IF Nintendo had gone with CDs over Carts, the major third party companies like Konami, Capcom and Square would have stuck with N64 over Playstation, so yes, in THAT scenerario, they would have won the generation by a landslide. PS1 did not succeed due to first party Sony software (though games like Crash Bandicoot certainly had success). PS1 succeeded on the backs of games like Resident Evil, Symphony of the Night, Tomb Raider, Metal Gear Solid, and most especially, Final Fantasy VII. If those games had come out on N64, instead of Playstation, then obviously, N64 would have likely been an overwhelming success, and PS1 might not have survived.

As it is, N64 did still have some of the highest selling and most sought after games of it's gen, games many PS1 owners (including friends of mine) were envious of, such as: Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Mario Kart 64, Turok, Goldeneye, Star Fox 64, Diddy Kong Racing, Banjo-Kazooie, Perfect Dark, etc.



N64 had some really great games. It had a glut of platformers, racing, sports and shooter games. Unfortunately, it also sorely lacked conventional 2D games, fighting games, and especially RPGs. Playstation, in that regard, undoubtedly had the more well rounded library, by simple numbers: it had a TON more games released for it, as most top-selling consoles do.

I'd add Gran Turismo to the list as well. GT was massive in the PS1 days. 



 

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TheBlackNaruto on 14 April 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, we're going to compare it. Also, they must still be talked about if we're talking about them!

Yep, not to mention many of them people often request to come back. Parappa got an hd re-release like a couple weeks ago. FF9 got a re-release on Steam last year which was very well received. Debates about which PS1 FF are common, it's not just "given" to #7 because people forgot the others exist. People are often asking for a Spyro trilogy remake like the Crash one. Tekken and Gran Turismo are still hugely popular franchises etc

Along with Resident Evil still being popular, Street Fighter is still popular....Legend of Dragoon almost gets talked about daily....so to say he never heard of most of them just seemed to be untrue imo. Xenogears is regarded as one of the best RPGs ever and heck is actually pretty big now with the xenoblade series on Wii U so to say he has never heard of most them has to be false....



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