By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Politics - Trump to nominate pro-immigration free-trading globalist as CEA chair

Soundwave said:

Anyone who thought a reality TV star was magically going to change how the global economy works is incredibly naive anyway. You have no idea how the economy works, nor the powers that be that keep it running, and you also likely made the dumb assumption that these people are stupid, which they are not.

In addition the idiociy that Trump was an "outsider" ... the dude lives on freaking Wall Street, lol. He is as much of a card carrying member as you can get. 

Well, he isn't just a reality TV star anymore, is he? I don't think it was naive of some of us to believe the president of the world's super power was gonna shake things up... if that was the case, then Hillary's camp was just as naive as well. Otherwise, why were they upset she lost? Why were Bernie's supporters upset as well?

RolStoppable said:
Trump is so cool.

In comparison with Hillary anyway.                                     

He's still cool in a vacuum. I've never seen this obscene amount of hypocrisy in one hour. The same people who warned us how we shouldn't hand the "nuclear code" to "someone like Trump" is now giving him a standing ovation for starting another war



Around the Network
VGPolyglot said:
Leadified said:

While that's true, Trump attracted the anti-immigration crowd to his campaign and used Clinton's history of destabilizing the region as an attack point. However, Trump's recent actions in Syria has drawn criticism from his anti-immigration supporters in the alt right, if the media is to be believed. So where did you get the assertion that anti-immigration folk are warmongers?

It came from Donald Trump talking about destroying ISIS. You need to go to war to do that. He also continued the drone strikes and bombing attacks directly after his inauguration, and he increased the military budget by over $50 billion a few weeks ago. Why would they just start criticizing him now, shouldn't they have started in January?

He even said that he wanted increase the size of active military personnel:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1380/increase-size-us-army-540000-active-duty-soldiers/

Indeed, they should have. But as the OP suggests, all this proves is that Trump is either a conman or incompetent.



Soundwave said:

Anyone who thought a reality TV star was magically going to change how the global economy works is incredibly naive anyway. You have no idea how the economy works, nor the powers that be that keep it running, and you also likely made the dumb assumption that these people are stupid, which they are not.

In addition the idiociy that Trump was an "outsider" ... the dude lives on freaking Wall Street, lol. He is as much of a card carrying member as you can get. 

I take issue with this comment.  Yes Trump is a reality TV star but he didn't tout that as the reason he got the presidency.  The thing that made him qualified to people and the reason he got his reality job is because of his business experience.



I am Iron Man

Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Soundwave said:

Anyone who thought a reality TV star was magically going to change how the global economy works is incredibly naive anyway. You have no idea how the economy works, nor the powers that be that keep it running, and you also likely made the dumb assumption that these people are stupid, which they are not.

In addition the idiociy that Trump was an "outsider" ... the dude lives on freaking Wall Street, lol. He is as much of a card carrying member as you can get. 

I take issue with this comment.  Yes Trump is a reality TV star but he didn't tout that as the reason he got the presidency.  The thing that made him qualified to people and the reason he got his reality job is because of his business experience.

If his business experience was the reason people choose him for president then that is probably even worst of a reason then him being an outsider.  Trump business experience means nothing in a job that is totally political.  The players in the public sector are way different then in the private.  As we see today the shear lack of political experience is killing pretty much everything Trump does because he and his adminstration has no clue how to run in these political circle.  the thing is as a business CEO, Trump really wasn't all that great to begin with and as a President, it will be interesting to see if he can change things around.  The thing is, I believe he is way out of his league and out of his element.  I am sure what he thought the job of being President is and what the reality of the job is totally different.



Machiavellian said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

I take issue with this comment.  Yes Trump is a reality TV star but he didn't tout that as the reason he got the presidency.  The thing that made him qualified to people and the reason he got his reality job is because of his business experience.

If his business experience was the reason people choose him for president then that is probably even worst of a reason then him being an outsider.  Trump business experience means nothing in a job that is totally political.  The players in the public sector are way different then in the private.  As we see today the shear lack of political experience is killing pretty much everything Trump does because he and his adminstration has no clue how to run in these political circle.  the thing is as a business CEO, Trump really wasn't all that great to begin with and as a President, it will be interesting to see if he can change things around.  The thing is, I believe he is way out of his league and out of his element.  I am sure what he thought the job of being President is and what the reality of the job is totally different.

I don't disagree most of that.  I was simply saying people didn't vote for him as a reality star (at least not the vast majority).  They voted for a business man.  They wanted a profitable, more efficiently run government.  Personally I would have picked a businessman who has a better record or a government type who has been known to eliminate inefficiencies such as Kasich (who I voted for in the primary).  I don't think you have to be guy who has been in politics to be successful there as Elon Musk could probably make a great president.



I am Iron Man

Around the Network
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Machiavellian said:

If his business experience was the reason people choose him for president then that is probably even worst of a reason then him being an outsider.  Trump business experience means nothing in a job that is totally political.  The players in the public sector are way different then in the private.  As we see today the shear lack of political experience is killing pretty much everything Trump does because he and his adminstration has no clue how to run in these political circle.  the thing is as a business CEO, Trump really wasn't all that great to begin with and as a President, it will be interesting to see if he can change things around.  The thing is, I believe he is way out of his league and out of his element.  I am sure what he thought the job of being President is and what the reality of the job is totally different.

I don't disagree most of that.  I was simply saying people didn't vote for him as a reality star (at least not the vast majority).  They voted for a business man.  They wanted a profitable, more efficiently run government.  Personally I would have picked a businessman who has a better record or a government type who has been known to eliminate inefficiencies such as Kasich (who I voted for in the primary).  I don't think you have to be guy who has been in politics to be successful there as Elon Musk could probably make a great president.

I agree that you do not have to be in politics to be a success but I do believe you need to understand how to swim in the waters to be a success.  With Washington being so partisan, not knowing how to get the right people on your side and not piss them off is a very key skill Trump has not figured out yet.  His handling of the Freedom Caucus and believing that his success is tied to their success is a blunder he might regret. 

I believe you really do need to have some political experience to navigate Washington successfully and get things done.  



Machiavellian said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

I don't disagree most of that.  I was simply saying people didn't vote for him as a reality star (at least not the vast majority).  They voted for a business man.  They wanted a profitable, more efficiently run government.  Personally I would have picked a businessman who has a better record or a government type who has been known to eliminate inefficiencies such as Kasich (who I voted for in the primary).  I don't think you have to be guy who has been in politics to be successful there as Elon Musk could probably make a great president.

I agree that you do not have to be in politics to be a success but I do believe you need to understand how to swim in the waters to be a success.  With Washington being so partisan, not knowing how to get the right people on your side and not piss them off is a very key skill Trump has not figured out yet.  His handling of the Freedom Caucus and believing that his success is tied to their success is a blunder he might regret. 

I believe you really do need to have some political experience to navigate Washington successfully and get things done.  

the upside of not being in political waters too much is that you're not dug into either side as much.  Trump hasn't taken advantage of that but coming in with a fresh slate and saying "I don't care what party you're in I'll take your input and would love your support" could go a long way towards getting rid of this political quagmire.  Also Democrats took this stance that they would oppose anything he does after a couple weeks like with a supreme court nominee who is rated near perfect by the bar association.  There is not reason they should have had to change the rules to get him through, but the dems responded to Trump's antagonism with more antagonism. 



I am Iron Man

Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Eagle367 said:
This is good. A hypocritical Donny is better for us than an honest one. I heard recently that for some reason a Fulbright scholar who had been to USA studying was denied entry after leaving to visit his family in Pakistan

He never said immigrants are bad.  He said they need proper vetting and they need to come in legally.  Why do liberals always ignore the illegal part?  That's important

I'm not a damn liberal. I exist outside USA so  even my definitions of the terms vary. He is extremely anti-immigrant anyone with a non-brainwashed mind can see. His actions at the start show ho anti-immigrant he is. He wanted to ban all muslims and build a damn wall without any regard to nuances, humans, immigrants, the american people or reality



Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also

RolStoppable said:
Trump is so cool.

In comparison with Hillary anyway.

Rol becoming more moderate?



If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.

Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Machiavellian said:

I agree that you do not have to be in politics to be a success but I do believe you need to understand how to swim in the waters to be a success.  With Washington being so partisan, not knowing how to get the right people on your side and not piss them off is a very key skill Trump has not figured out yet.  His handling of the Freedom Caucus and believing that his success is tied to their success is a blunder he might regret. 

I believe you really do need to have some political experience to navigate Washington successfully and get things done.  

the upside of not being in political waters too much is that you're not dug into either side as much.  Trump hasn't taken advantage of that but coming in with a fresh slate and saying "I don't care what party you're in I'll take your input and would love your support" could go a long way towards getting rid of this political quagmire.  Also Democrats took this stance that they would oppose anything he does after a couple weeks like with a supreme court nominee who is rated near perfect by the bar association.  There is not reason they should have had to change the rules to get him through, but the dems responded to Trump's antagonism with more antagonism. 

Trump has not done that.  He has not tried to reach out to Democrats not even once during his Presidency nor has he even hinted that he is willing to work with them as long as the Republican party has majority.  He is just as partisan as the rest in Washington right now so nothing will change.  As for the Supreme Court nominee, that’s just pay back for the Republican doing the same thing when Obama chose his Justice.  Actually it’s so funny how bad the Republicans were on his nomination since the they guy he chose was pretty conservative.  It’s this kind of petty crap that things do not change and nothing gets done.  I do not see this changing because Trump has already shone in his personality to be just as petty.