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pokoko said:
KLAMarine said:

Don't keep it to yourself, there.

Small stuff, mostly.  Complaining about not being able to do something in a game but then the comments are instantly full of people saying you can.  That can happen to anyone but most people would try to make sure that what they write is actually true.  I get the impression that he doesn't take the time to do that since it seems to happen to him a lot.  

I've seen it happen with big stuff, too.  He once wrote an article attacking Sony for copying Nintendo because he read the PSP2 was going to have two view-screens like the DS.  His source was an obscure blog that misunderstood the main article they quoted.  His defense was always that he was "a blogger, not a journalist" so he didn't have to fact-check.  

This is from a defense piece he wrote back then:

"Unlike journalists, who strive to be objective and must generally be impersonal with their writing, bloggers will project themselves onto the work they do. They will never be shy about adding in their own opinions to the news they write about, and give the world a piece of their mind. Blogs are full to the brim with personality, and the news often comes flavored with a big chunk of bias."  https://www.destructoid.com/screw-your-journalism-why-games-blogging-is-nothing-to-be-ashamed-of-68336.phtml

Also this:

"The question that comes to mind however is this -- do blogs compromise information in the projection of their personality? Sometimes, I have to confess, yes. Yes we do. Tommy Tallarico himself accused the blogs of rushing so quickly to be cynical, to appeal with negativity to the crowd of jaded gamers that make up their readership, that they will not only downplay, but even eschew the facts in favor of whipping up a storm of anger.

I'm big enough to admit that I have, at times, lost grasp of the facts in a desperate rush to get my voice out there. Bloggers will do that. When I first started writing, I was terrible at it, and even now, with several months under my belt, I admit I am not the best writer I can be. I am still learning, but that's another great thing about blogging -- we have that freedom to evolve. We are able to learn from our mistakes. I fully understand that most magazines would have fired me by now, for either mouthing off one too many times or accidentally announcing that the next Elder Scrolls would be an MMO. I have screwed up in the past, big time, and while I strive to be as professional as I can be, I am not a journalist and I do not claim to have "journalistic integrity." I only have my honest opinions, be they cynical or naive. "

That's pretty much Jim Sterling and why I call him a tabloid writer.  He wants to be an "internet personality," not a journalist.  That's why I don't care anything about his work.  However, at least he is open about it, instead of trying to hide behind a shield of objectivity while doing what is best for business behind the scenes.  I personally believe a lot of scores from the big publishers are of the "tell readers what they want to hear" variety.  I've grown really cynical about 10s being handed out like candy, for example.

In a nutshell, Sterling doesn't analyse the data and subtract the cons from the pros in order to get his scores.  He just marks down a number that represents how much he liked the game.  I can understand the argument that such a method doesn't fit with Metacritic but the idea that he's "wrong" about how much he enjoyed his time playing is absurd.  

Well, I guess this settles it. If I want a honest objective review over any product, Jim Sterling is not the one who can give it to me.



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twintail said:
KLAMarine said:

What say you?

 

i dunno man.. you are trying to nitpick a review.

So he hated this particular event. That is his prevogative. Taking issue with something someone doesnt like is just even worse nitpicking imho

I also find the blood moons annoying (although it's cool that enemies stay dead for a while), but they're pretty rare, so Jim Sterling is objectively wrong in the way he formed his opinion. If enemies didn't stay dead you could just grind for good weapons. So overall, it's a system that makes the game better, but there is a small downside with it (the short interuption). 



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

More like a little spot on... But hey, all Zeldas all perfect and whomever says otherwise must be destroyed.



twintail said:
KLAMarine said:

What say you?

 

i dunno man.. you are trying to nitpick a review.

So he hated this particular event. That is his prevogative. Taking issue with something someone doesnt like is just even worse nitpicking imho

It is also his prerrogative when he suggest you cannot keep track of the shrines even when you totally can? Not only you can put markers on them from the distance to know where they are but also once you go close to one the map already shows you where they are and wether they are only discovered (orange), opened but not completed (orange and blue) or completed (blue) yet he says you need to do them all from the moment you see them otherwise you lose track. He is just lying.



Why do people still care what a fat man on the internet said about a video game?



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Sigh, this... again.

There are things he didn't like, you are free to disagree but you can't be objectively more correct than he is. Get over it already.



This is starting to just get silly. Why is it so hard for people to accept someone's opinion of a game not being the same as theirs? That's all it is, no matter how much people try to spin this into some anti-Nintendo agenda. Just get over it already.



twintail said:
Goodnightmoon said:

It is also his prerrogative when he suggest you cannot keep track of the shrines even when you totally can? Not only you can put markers on them from the distance to know where they are but also the map already shows you where they are and wether they are only discovered (orange), opened but not completed (orange and blue) or completed (blue) yet he says you need to do them all from the moment you see them otherwise you lose track. He is just lying.

Ok, so?

The OP isn't talking about shrine tracking. Im not talking about shrine tracking. If you want to do so then go start a new random topic about it. 

Is only one of many examples that shows how nitpicky and biased this review was.



It's apparently quantifiable how wrong Jim's opinion is. I mean god forbid someone gives Nintendo some feedback.



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bananaking21 said:
are people still bitching about his review? jeez man

Some people complain about other people complaining. Other people see complaints and look into and address those complaints.

I'd like to think I'm doing the latter with this thread. If you don't think so, please do not hesitate to provide some hopefully constructive criticism.

LurkerJ said:
bananaking21 said:
are people still bitching about his review? jeez man

I know, right?

Does anyone bother to check the legitimacy of critics that hand out perfect scores for our favourite games? I mean.. a 10 out of 10 should be questionable, I question the 10s that Avengers: Civil War got whenever the movie is disucussed.

Do we call the first critic that gives an anticipated game a perfect score a clickbaiter? Why don't we? After all, the first reviewer to give a perfect score for a highly anticipated game will surly get some clicks. But nope, who cares, it's a 10 for my favourite game, it won't irk me if I go to sleep knowing that he or she did it for clicks.

Get the fuck over it guys, a 7/10 is a great score.

For the record, I don't recall ever complaining about Jim giving the game a 7/10. If Jim feels the game deserves a 7/10, I stand behind him 100%. However, if in the meat of his review he's going to complain about a cutscene "disrespecting" player's time, I'm going to point out that Jim makes no mention that most cutscenes can be skipped.

pokoko said:
KLAMarine said:

Don't keep it to yourself, there.

Small stuff, mostly.  Complaining about not being able to do something in a game but then the comments are instantly full of people saying you can.  That can happen to anyone but most people would try to make sure that what they write is actually true.  I get the impression that he doesn't take the time to do that since it seems to happen to him a lot.  

I've seen it happen with big stuff, too.  He once wrote an article attacking Sony for copying Nintendo because he read the PSP2 was going to have two view-screens like the DS.  His source was an obscure blog that misunderstood the main article they quoted.  His defense was always that he was "a blogger, not a journalist" so he didn't have to fact-check.  

This is from a defense piece he wrote back then:

"Unlike journalists, who strive to be objective and must generally be impersonal with their writing, bloggers will project themselves onto the work they do. They will never be shy about adding in their own opinions to the news they write about, and give the world a piece of their mind. Blogs are full to the brim with personality, and the news often comes flavored with a big chunk of bias."  https://www.destructoid.com/screw-your-journalism-why-games-blogging-is-nothing-to-be-ashamed-of-68336.phtml

Also this:

"The question that comes to mind however is this -- do blogs compromise information in the projection of their personality? Sometimes, I have to confess, yes. Yes we do. Tommy Tallarico himself accused the blogs of rushing so quickly to be cynical, to appeal with negativity to the crowd of jaded gamers that make up their readership, that they will not only downplay, but even eschew the facts in favor of whipping up a storm of anger.

I'm big enough to admit that I have, at times, lost grasp of the facts in a desperate rush to get my voice out there. Bloggers will do that. When I first started writing, I was terrible at it, and even now, with several months under my belt, I admit I am not the best writer I can be. I am still learning, but that's another great thing about blogging -- we have that freedom to evolve. We are able to learn from our mistakes. I fully understand that most magazines would have fired me by now, for either mouthing off one too many times or accidentally announcing that the next Elder Scrolls would be an MMO. I have screwed up in the past, big time, and while I strive to be as professional as I can be, I am not a journalist and I do not claim to have "journalistic integrity." I only have my honest opinions, be they cynical or naive. "

That's pretty much Jim Sterling and why I call him a tabloid writer.  He wants to be an "internet personality," not a journalist.  That's why I don't care anything about his work.  However, at least he is open about it, instead of trying to hide behind a shield of objectivity while doing what is best for business behind the scenes.  I personally believe a lot of scores from the big publishers are of the "tell readers what they want to hear" variety.  I've grown really cynical about 10s being handed out like candy, for example.

In a nutshell, Sterling doesn't analyse the data and subtract the cons from the pros in order to get his scores.  He just marks down a number that represents how much he liked the game.  I can understand the argument that such a method doesn't fit with Metacritic but the idea that he's "wrong" about how much he enjoyed his time playing is absurd.  

Wow, that's a very interesting read. Almost ten years old though. I wonder if he feels similarly today...

RolStoppable said:
Is this a late April fools? You really watched hours of video to find proof for something that didn't need any proof to begin with?

Yeah, I watched hours of this stuff :3

That and I'm playing the game and I often find myself wishing the blood moon would come up because it's been a rare occurrence for me.