Howcome no one has mentioned VR?
How can Scorpio have no exclusives if it has VR games?
I guess because they are also on PC?
Bandorr said:
What VR games? http://www.gamespot.com/articles/project-scorpio-website-removes-mention-of-vr-micr/1100-6447239/ They actually modified their website to remove any mention of those VR games. Specially since they were suppose to have deals with Oculus and well... they lost a lawsuit to Zenimax. As opposed to the "Mixed reality headset" that is coming to Xbox one AND Scorpio in 2018. http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/2/14788194/xbox-one-project-scorpio-mixed-reality-headsets-2018 |
Oh i didn't realise they removed that and added that.
But can you really blame me? lol :D
If Scorpio ever gets "VR" then it would have to be exclusive no?
I don't mind trading my old console in and getting an updated one every 3 years. With Scorpio, I'm not sure if they will support it for 3 years of the ps5 comes out a year before.
That's the same reason why I haven't bothered getting a pro. Had I bought it at launch I know I would have got a good 3 years before the ps5.
| zero129 said:
Thats the earliest rumor i could find, however like i said i remember rumors from 2015 going around of a more powerful Xbox when it was going to be called Xbox10 way before rumors of neo. I also remember at the time (Dont know how you dont since im pretty sure you took part in some of them discussions) the was some topics here on VGC of this, and i also remember many Sony fans claiming it would be a bad move from MS as consoles shouldnt have Mid Gen upgrades, but then many of them same fans was ok with it once Sony rumors of Neo started doing the rounds. I even made a topic here on VGC after the Neo rumors asking Sony fans why its now ok for Sony to do it when they where so against MS doing it. If i get in the mood i might dig into my old posts to find them threads. Anyway i just find the whole notion of MS copying Sony with Mid Gen upgrades as being funny when its clear both of them where planning this for a long time. The is even this news piece from 2015 https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/218082-rumor-amd-may-be-working-on-next-gen-consoles-for-2018 It might be hard for some people to understand but console development takes time, its silly to believe that the only reason the Scorpio is launching a year after Sonys Pro is cause they copied Sony, when in fact its much more likely due to what it would cost to launch a console as powerful as MS is planning at the same time as the Pro and that AMD wouldnt have the APU ready in time. I mean im pretty sure MS wouldnt want another RROD thing to happen by rushing. Anyway none of this matters to me, i have a gaming PC and plan on upgrading it again this year, im happy MS exclusives going forword will be coming to their other platform "Windows10" and to be honest i wish Sony and Nintendo would do the same thing.I believe people should be allowed the choice of device they play their games on, this whole Us vs them mentality in the console race is just silly to me as now consoles are more alike then ever with pretty much the OS being the only thing that makes them different. So to me i think consoles should just go like DVD/Bluray players and allow any game to be played on them. People will still go with the brands they like or otherwise the would be no markets for Phones/TV's/DVD/bluerays etc.
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I was curious about a lot of your comments and went ahead and checked my post history through 2015 here. The only thread I participated in that I think you're referring to was a thread created by you, purely on your own personal speculation about how you want Windows 10 and Xbox to merge. The discussion wasn't about iterative consoles, and the thread wasn't grounded on any data, it was a thread you wanted to make to express to everyone that Windows should be on Xbox.
I do remember initially being against iterative upgrades, but that was for the Neo rumors. Being a concurrent OG PS4/PS4 Pro owner, my stance has changed on that. If you made a thread asking why it was okay that Sony was doing it, then the thread had to have been in 2016 after Scorpio was revealed because the console was never even rumored before that year (again, as far as my research has led me).
In regards to your link in this quote, that discussion is focused on actual next gen consoles, not these mid gen upgrades. In that link, it talks about AMD designing next gen consoles for 2018. PS4 Pro came out in 2016, Scorpio 2017. As far as I am aware, AMD/Intel/NVidia generally can meet their road maps but it is rare to find them being ahead of schedule with delays usually being more prominent. With that said, the 2018 consoles are probably being pushed to 2019 for PlayStation and later (or not?) for what comes after Scorpio. I don't think that link is referring to the consoles we are discussing in this thread. Which would demonstrate that those were never rumors for mid gen upgrades, those are rumors for actual next gen consoles.
Fwiw I don't imply that pro or Scorpio copied each other in the sense that you describe. I personally think Sony was planning Pro for a long while, and Scorpio was supposed to be next gen but Microsoft had to reposition Scorpio when they found out what Sony was doing with the Pro. There's a tweet from Phil Spencer the same week that Ito from Sony was interviewed about iterative upgrades. Phil at that time said he believed there would be a next console generation. Phil now states Ms is doing away with console gens. So again, that shows that they've had to shift strategy at some point between late 2015 and the first half of 2016 before Scorpio was rumored.
As for R&D and incubation time for consoles, now? The turn around time has to be much, much, much quicker than previous gens. Consider that up until now consoles have always had unique architecture. That is where a lot of the R&D costs/turn around time comes from I imagine. Current consoles are now, however PC APUs with the heavy lifting being done by AMD, based on their own roadmap for PC tech. This 'years and years of R&D" is probably a thing of the past with consoles. I'm willing to bet that Sony/Ms will spend more time designing the look of the box, or the controller, or OS features now that the tech inside is being handled almost entirely by AMD (remember, Ps4 was sold at a profit day one. At a $500 premium, even with ESRam and Kinect, I think X1 was sold at an even greater profit at launch. This is clearly a change in design philosophy for both companies, so it's a moot point to say that it takes years and years of R&D now. It might for AMD, but there's probably much less overhead for R&D in the console hardware itself).
| zero129 said: The is nothing mind boggling about it. 1. Other devices such as Android phones etc take time and R&D costs etc, nowdays Console makers buy their parts from companys like AMD so most of the R&D costs are most likely done by AMD. Do you really believe the PS4 for instance was losing lots of money on its release?. It was already using very weak PC hardware at its time of release and thats why we have the Pro version now, Same for XB1. Other devices like mobile phones cost around $250 to make. Yt they are sold for $500+. Why do you think that is. And even if consoles these days take parts from other suppliers for things like the ram, processor, HDD...etc. Those parts re still all customized and tested internally before coming to market. 2. 3rd party games are the biggest selling games on consoles (Except for Nintendo), More people buy a PS4 to play the best version of CoD or Fifa etc then they do to buy Uncharted etc. I know many people who own a Ps4 and dont own any of the Sony exclusives they just buy CoD, Fifa, Battlefields yearly releases. They know them games are also on PC and look better on PC but yet they game on consoles. Because like I explained above, consoles are generally cheaper than PCs. And more straight forward. 3. If you understand the reason for why most multiplat games such as CoD and Fifa etc sell better on consoles (Even when the is a larger PC userbase) then you should also understand that even without exclusives the will always be a need for consoles. So this isnt a "Lets just have everything on PC" its about being able to buy a piece of hardware of your choice and being able to play "All" games on it. Like i said the same thing could be said about Bluray players. Sony wants to sell bluray players so they should have exclusives on it, Samsung want to sell their players so they should have exclusives on it etc. This is anti consumer in every sense of the word and people wouldnt put up with having to buy different players to watch movies from different companys for long. Thats why the HDDVD standard died out etc. No it can't, cause sony selling a blu-ray player is a very bad example. Especially when you consider that no special hardware or R&D work that cost billions needs to go ointo making those bluray players. As I said, anyone can make them. Stop pretending like the same thing can be said about consoles. Try this, buy a $250 NUC, by an external bluray drive, install some fre bluray movie playback software on your NUC and boom..... you have a bluray player. So what might seem mind boggling to you makes perfect sense to me. Maybe i can see the bigger picture here since im not stuck on one company (Not saying you are as i dont really know you) and think its silly i or anyone should be forced to buy a piece of hardware i dont need to play some games i like. But i see this changing in the future. Everything will go digital. No, you are not seeing the bigger picture of anything. You are just seeing only what you want to see. I do agree thatit will go away eventually, but only when there is one clear resounding winner. What we have now in the console space is basically a very long format war. But as long as we have different companies making games, we will always have exclusives. If you really were seeing the bigger picture, you would know that we are sooner to have everything be on a console than everything be on a PC. Beause whever makes said console needs to give people a reason to buy it. You will buy a Sony/MS/Nintedo/Samsung etc Set top box that you can install different stores on be that the MS Store, PSStore etc and them stores will have their exclusives (So the companys are still making their money from sales of exclusive content). This imo will be the future. How does such a future make any sense? How is it even possible? I could go into this so more and tell you how or whythat wouldn't ever happen... and its ven ben tried before. But There is no need. Lets just say in time we will see. |
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Intrinsic said: I am sorry, but I have zero trust for Microsoft...... and i dread the day when everything gaming related exists on their platform. And as far as I am concerned... the PC (windows) is an MS platform. |
So you see PC as the natural enemy or soemthing?.
They don't own all of PC inside and out either. Without the PC, we wouldn't even have our video games to begin with, so I find it rather natural that what gives life, can also take it away.
Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.
Chazore said:
So you see PC as the natural enemy or soemthing?. They don't own all of PC inside and out either. Without the PC, we wouldn't even have our video games to begin with, so I find it rather natural that what gives life, can also take it away. |
Nope.... I see windows as the neutral enemy. Now if gaming as far as PC goes was a Linux dominated affair then I wouldn't worry. But as itstands, knowing that PC gaming as it stands is tied to windows is very disturbing to me. This si why I was happy when steam was trying to push their steam box initiative.
I think all of gaming being tied to a platform owned by microsoft is just a really scary proposition. And I don't know how anyone can trust MS. Coming off the biggest console success sony had, their true colors came through and then went and made and over engineered and expensive machine. Pushed Blu-ray and what not. That sony, thats the kinda bad we can expect from their arrogance. But Microsoft? Their own arrogance and true colors showed in the form of an always online, no used games, drm heavy, mandatory kinect push. And we know how they are when it comes to their partnerships for games. I am sorry, but thats not a comapny I can trust.
JRPGfan said:
Most people think by 2020 that sony will have Playstation 5 launch. Do you think microsoft will give Sony a 1year headstart, with the next gen? |
Its certainly possible we could see PS5 before a new Xbox. Scorpio is going to be a powerful box and in 2020 it will probably be ~$250 with a game. If PS5 launches in 2020, it will be coniderably more powerful than Scorpio but also more expensive (maybe $400). The Scropio will be able to handle PS5 games most likely at a lower resolution.
Hence, MS doesn't need to rush a new box out by 2020 because the Scropio can thrive as the powerful/cheaper option that will have notable 3rd party games on PS5. Then in 2021, perhaps MS could launch a new X1 with specs better than PS5.
Hence, getting a new Xbox to the market first or at the same time as PS5 isn't that important if their current machine is still very capable and cheaper. As i said before, the biggest differences between Scorpio and PS5 games could be resolution as 4K will become a bigger priority for 9th gen. PS4 Pro was kinda underwhelming, so PS5 might not be amazing at $399 either. I'm guessing PS5 will be ~12 TF which will allow it to achieve 4K more easily/often.
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zero129 said:
I think your right, i think it was in 2016 when i made the thread after Neo was confirmed. You also might be right that MS was planning for Scorpio to be a Nextgen machine since i cant exactly say your wrong. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what you posted here in fact |
I don't know what is going on here, can I join in the fun?
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, Sorry i guess i read your original statement wrong.
