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NATO said:
Given that the clock speed is downclocked for handheld mode, and most people prefer it in handheld mode, having the capacity for higher processing power just for docked mode is stupid, why not just have an option for high power mode in handheld mode and run games better with nicer visuals.

Switch's biggest gimmick - playing on a TV is a waste of space and likely increased the cost of the console way more than it had to.

$300 for the current switch or $150 for the same thing, minus "HD rumble" which is shit, minus the useless camera in the right joycon, minus the piece of shit dock that is having extensive issues with manufacturing quality, and minus the extra components used for TV out and it would have done much, much better.

I'm working and commuting to work. Playing on the go is cool. That said, sometimes I'm at home. Getting the output on the projector is a cool thing, even if I play a lot while on the go. So the dock isn't useless for me.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
NATO said:

You can boost IQ and framerates with the additional power, or leave it locked at 30 and just use the extra power for IQ and a more detailed world, all at the flip of an option, you get to decide if you want to run in standard (power save) or high performance (power drain), simple as that.

The frameworks already there, console does it automatically when docked.

Again, those do not warrant the downsides. Have you actually seen and played Zelda in handheld mode? The world is detailed but limited compared to on the television due to screen size. What you are saying are not things that I am dismissing as untruthful, but what I am saying is that, even for a hardcore gamer, what you are asking for what it would give you in return is not worthwhile. It also would not decrease the price of the hand held unit itself and it takes away a pretty decent television option to play Zelda and other open world titles on. As a gamer, not as a fan of a company, it would not be worth the trade off for me. I would rather be able to play open world Zelda on my television and not limited to a short battery life or a 6.2 inch screen. Your idea is not practical.

So removal of the $90 dock (no hdmi cable needed then either), camera and hd rumble wouldn't change the price? have you even thought about it?

Also, Zelda runs better in handheld form than it does in TV mode.



NATO said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

Again, those do not warrant the downsides. Have you actually seen and played Zelda in handheld mode? The world is detailed but limited compared to on the television due to screen size. What you are saying are not things that I am dismissing as untruthful, but what I am saying is that, even for a hardcore gamer, what you are asking for what it would give you in return is not worthwhile. It also would not decrease the price of the hand held unit itself and it takes away a pretty decent television option to play Zelda and other open world titles on. As a gamer, not as a fan of a company, it would not be worth the trade off for me. I would rather be able to play open world Zelda on my television and not limited to a short battery life or a 6.2 inch screen. Your idea is not practical.

So removal of the $90 dock (no hdmi cable needed then either), camera and hd rumble wouldn't change the price? have you even thought about it?

Also, Zelda runs better in handheld form than it does in TV mode.

Are you really going to say the dock is really worth $90? If so, we are done for that stupid reason alone.

 

And Zelda running better in handheld than on the television has nothing to do with this conversation except to say, you probably have not played the game to know what I am talking about. Even in they remove HD rumble (which would be an awful idea but you would not understand since you probably have not played the console to know the benefits of having controllers that rumble on a hand held that do not destroy your vision aside from the awesomeness of the gimmick itself of location based rumble and emotion through rumble...) and the camera, it does not change the fact that outputting to television for games like Zelda is much better than seeing them on a limited 6.2 inch screen. The benefits simply do not outweigh the downsides. The minor price drop (and if you think they could release this same console for the price you are asking even though NVIDIA shield is 200 with 16GB) is simply not worth it to most gamers. Zelda like that on a 6.2 inch screen as your only option would be ass (considering almost nobody bought Wii U).

 

I sincerely suggest you spend some time with the console (not buy one because you have every right to not want one) but until you actually get some meaningful hands on time with the console to better understand it, spouting your position is going to seem silly to people that have given the console adequate time and understanding.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:

Are you really going to say the dock is really worth $90? If so, we are done for that stupid reason alone.

 

And Zelda running better in handheld than on the television has nothing to do with this conversation except to say, you probably have not played the game to know what I am talking about. Even in they remove HD rumble (which would be an awful idea but you would not understand since you probably have not played the console to know the benefits of having controllers that rumble on a hand held that do not destroy your vision aside from the awesomeness of the gimmick itself of location based rumble and emotion through rumble...) and the camera, it does not change the fact that outputting to television for games like Zelda is much better than seeing them on a limited 6.2 inch screen. The benefits simply do not outweigh the downsides. The minor price drop (and if you think they could release this same console for the price you are asking even though NVIDIA shield is 200 with 16GB) is simply not worth it to most gamers. Zelda like that on a 6.2 inch screen as your only option would be ass (considering almost nobody bought Wii U).

 

I sincerely suggest you spend some time with the console (not buy one because you have every right to not want one) but until you actually get some meaningful hands on time with the console to better understand it, spouting your position is going to seem silly to people that have given the console adequate time and understanding.

I'm a hardware engineer, so as someone that has taken apart the dock, dumped both the SPI flashes and fiddled around with the code, I can say that while the dock isn't worth the $90 retail pricetag, it's still at least a $50 chunk of the cost alone.

SPI flashes are located either side of the HDMI connector, other side of the board has an arm serial wire debug testpoint for dumping the MXIC ic, too, i've delved into all of the readable data in great detail, so i'm extremely familiar with what the dock does, how it does it, the BOM for such a device, and the bottom line, which is seemingly infinitely more than you, with your "if you think it's worth $90 this convosations over" stuff.

But hey, what do I know?, hell you even went as far as to pull the old "you don't even have one" nonsense, what do you think this is?



Basically yes, I like switch as a handheld because quality is better, play in bed or toilet(please don't ask) and at work.

I sometime play docking when my switch is about to lose battery life.



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Yes. I find the big screen to be very comfortable to play on and I play Zelda mostly in handheld mode. Tabletop is also really cool: I played Bomberman with my girlfriend while cooking, took the Switch with me to a friend and we played for two hours straight (he's broke but he wants to buy one now lol) and played with my brother when I visited my parents a few days ago. Having two controllers ready at all times is really cool. It's very freeing to just plug the console into the dock when I'm home and get it out when I want to take the Switch somewhere.

I just want the screen to be a bit bigger (say 6.5" instead of 6.2") as it gets hard to play Bomberman in tabletop mode when the camera zooms all the way out. Should be doable with a "Switch light" as the bezels around the screen are a bit large.



It feels a bit clunky in your hands but if I'm ever gonna use it as a handheld it will be in tabletop mode.



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NATO said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

Are you really going to say the dock is really worth $90? If so, we are done for that stupid reason alone.

 

And Zelda running better in handheld than on the television has nothing to do with this conversation except to say, you probably have not played the game to know what I am talking about. Even in they remove HD rumble (which would be an awful idea but you would not understand since you probably have not played the console to know the benefits of having controllers that rumble on a hand held that do not destroy your vision aside from the awesomeness of the gimmick itself of location based rumble and emotion through rumble...) and the camera, it does not change the fact that outputting to television for games like Zelda is much better than seeing them on a limited 6.2 inch screen. The benefits simply do not outweigh the downsides. The minor price drop (and if you think they could release this same console for the price you are asking even though NVIDIA shield is 200 with 16GB) is simply not worth it to most gamers. Zelda like that on a 6.2 inch screen as your only option would be ass (considering almost nobody bought Wii U).

 

I sincerely suggest you spend some time with the console (not buy one because you have every right to not want one) but until you actually get some meaningful hands on time with the console to better understand it, spouting your position is going to seem silly to people that have given the console adequate time and understanding.

I'm a hardware engineer, so as someone that has taken apart the dock, dumped both the SPI flashes and fiddled around with the code, I can say that while the dock isn't worth the $90 retail pricetag, it's still at least a $50 chunk of the cost alone.

SPI flashes are located either side of the HDMI connector, other side of the board has an arm serial wire debug testpoint for dumping the MXIC ic, too, i've delved into all of the readable data in great detail, so i'm extremely familiar with what the dock does, how it does it, the BOM for such a device, and the bottom line, which is seemingly infinitely more than you, with your "if you think it's worth $90 this convosations over" stuff.

But hey, what do I know?, hell you even went as far as to pull the old "you don't even have one" nonsense, what do you think this is?

2 things:

 

1) You just said it was 50 not 90. That ends that.

2) I did not say you did not have one, I said you need to spend time with one. If you did not have one and did not want to buy one, that is fine because I am not suggesting someone actually buy what they do not want to buy. However, you seem to not understand my points and even though I understand yours and that is a huge disconnect. You have not once went in on one of my actual points and I am not going to have that derailed any further. Spend some time with Switch, if your opinion does not change, so be it. However, at least you will have more information than the very little you have displayed here.



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I think it has the potential to be an amazing handheld. I really like the display and the fact you can stand it down and use a pro controller when you take it with you, also the cardridges are nice.

But I Hate it as a home console.

When they make the full-handheld version with no ocking station and there are enough quality games out, I will be all-aboard it because its a great handheld




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NATO said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

Are you really going to say the dock is really worth $90? If so, we are done for that stupid reason alone.

 

And Zelda running better in handheld than on the television has nothing to do with this conversation except to say, you probably have not played the game to know what I am talking about. Even in they remove HD rumble (which would be an awful idea but you would not understand since you probably have not played the console to know the benefits of having controllers that rumble on a hand held that do not destroy your vision aside from the awesomeness of the gimmick itself of location based rumble and emotion through rumble...) and the camera, it does not change the fact that outputting to television for games like Zelda is much better than seeing them on a limited 6.2 inch screen. The benefits simply do not outweigh the downsides. The minor price drop (and if you think they could release this same console for the price you are asking even though NVIDIA shield is 200 with 16GB) is simply not worth it to most gamers. Zelda like that on a 6.2 inch screen as your only option would be ass (considering almost nobody bought Wii U).

 

I sincerely suggest you spend some time with the console (not buy one because you have every right to not want one) but until you actually get some meaningful hands on time with the console to better understand it, spouting your position is going to seem silly to people that have given the console adequate time and understanding.

I'm a hardware engineer, so as someone that has taken apart the dock, dumped both the SPI flashes and fiddled around with the code, I can say that while the dock isn't worth the $90 retail pricetag, it's still at least a $50 chunk of the cost alone.

SPI flashes are located either side of the HDMI connector, other side of the board has an arm serial wire debug testpoint for dumping the MXIC ic, too, i've delved into all of the readable data in great detail, so i'm extremely familiar with what the dock does, how it does it, the BOM for such a device, and the bottom line, which is seemingly infinitely more than you, with your "if you think it's worth $90 this convosations over" stuff.

But hey, what do I know?, hell you even went as far as to pull the old "you don't even have one" nonsense, what do you think this is?

There's nothing on that circuit board of value. It probably costs less than $1 to make. The Raspberry pi zero is made in the uk which is very expensive to manufacture compared to China by a long way and retails at £4 including more performance than a wii or 3DS. In that price is VAT, profit for the raspberry pi foundation, profit for reseller and maybe other costs. The only reason Nintendo is charging $90 is because Nintendo thinks they can. It could profitably be sold for £20 I'm sure if they wanted to even allowing for the psu. We may even find that third parties produce a cheap compatible dock at a fraction of the price as I'm not sure there is any proprietory hardware there at all. Nintendo charges what the market will bear which is not related to manufacturing cost as much as people think. I suspect from Nintendo's perspective they believe by charging $90 seperately they have added perceived value to the Switch as a package plus they make a ton of money for those who want to use a Switch in two rooms. My android tablet was £69.99 with a 10.1" 1280x720 ips screen, octocore cpu beyond the cpu performance of Switch by a long way but only 2GB memory, 16GB storage and a gpu of about 50 gflops where as Nintendo will be charging £80 for a plastic box with a psu in the UK.  You remove the dock from the Switch box and it would probably only reduce the console price by $20.