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SpokenTruth said:
betacon said:

Umm they're a Sony stuido

Yes, and that doesn't change how they get paid. 

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2010/02/anatomy-of-a-60-dollar-video-game.html

GG is a Sony studio, so Sony paid that $47.5M (just going with the current Euro to USD conversion rate). Sony will be getting back ~$34 per game at a $60 retail price. Not $9. So about 1.4M sales needed to break even if that 45M Euro includes marketting. 



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superchunk said:
Intrinsic said:

Because you have bias written all over everything you say and honestly just pull out some shit out of thing air to push a narrative.......

What kinda bulshit is that about games like horizon being why the industry will collapse and this silly talk about graphics and high budgets.

Then what will you say about this?

In a recent Nintendo shareholder’s meeting, Shigeru Miyamoto clarified the size of the development team on Zelda: Breath of the Wild but that it will also need to sell around 2 million copies to break even on its development costs.

Here, read it for yourself.....

So thats a sub 1080p game. It needs to sell at least twice as much as horizon to even break even. 

 I don't believe I said its only nonNintendo devs doing this. I think that is your bias, not mine. It also fits my narrative just fine. My focus is to not push graphics but instead spend time improving tools to reduce costs. BOTW should not require 2MM sales to break even just as Horizon should not.

The point is it's not a black and white issue you can't just blame  it just on having increased graphical fidelity ,that is why he bought up BOTW to show that graphics are just a small part of a much larger picture , I feel that marketing is where the fat should be trimmed. 

We cry out for more than just graphics, new  living breathing dynamic worlds to explore better AI that gives us more non core  NPC's who's behaviour and physical appearence  isn't a clone of the last one all this and a myriad other choices  cost time and money, and we want it for $60rrp a pricepoint that hasn't increased for a long time, do we  need every one to be on the cutting edge no we need diversity and that includes games with all types of budgets.



Turkish said:
Interesting that GG was able to make a game on a scale of Witcher 3 with less people and a smaller budget! I also like that Horizon has much more variety in environments, from snowey mountains to forests to grand canyon type areas. W3 felt almost the same the whole game until Blood and Wine.

Does Horizon have Gwent?

No?

GTFO.



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Mummelmann said:
Turkish said:
Interesting that GG was able to make a game on a scale of Witcher 3 with less people and a smaller budget! I also like that Horizon has much more variety in environments, from snowey mountains to forests to grand canyon type areas. W3 felt almost the same the whole game until Blood and Wine.

A couple of things I need to correct and/or remind you of here:

1: The Witcher 3 was a multiplatform title being developers simultaneously, whereas Horizon is exclusive to PS4.

2: The development budget was nowhere near 81 million dollars, it was reportedly around 32-33 million dollars and the bigger figures include promotional budgets and marketing. TW3 had a massive marketing push in all major territories.
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/how-much-did-the-witcher-3-cost
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1059873

3: The Witcher 3 is a lot more detailed, the sidequests are immense and varied, the main story is a lot longer, the world is jam packed with content, NPC's and events and map is colossal. Writing is miles better, music as well, skill system along with magic has a lot more depth and variation, it has a slew of effects enabled or available for PC users. Hell, look at the size of Novigrad alone, that city is near as big as some entire games with all its underground passages and districts! In Horizon, I've yet to find a single hut or house that I could open and enter, there are practically no interiors designed for it besides dungeons, compare that to TW3 and Skyrim, for instance. I think I spent 95 hours on The Witcher 3 before the expansion packs came out, it's an immense game and it plays a lot more like a full fledged RPG designed in such a way that your choices and actions actually have a huge impact on the world and the story. Horizon is a great open world ARPG but it doesn't hold a candle to TW3 is sheer scope, variation and epicness.

A waste of time. All you needed to post was this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnI_mvp2fjc



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Intrinsic said:
In a recent Nintendo shareholder’s meeting, Shigeru Miyamoto clarified the size of the development team on Zelda: Breath of the Wild but that it will also need to sell around 2 million copies to break even on its development costs.

Here, read it for yourself.....

So thats a sub 1080p game. It needs to sell at least twice as much as horizon to even break even. 

Dev costs only or dev costs plus marketing?  

Unless we know these specifically, it's hard ot compare games this way.



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Sounds kinda small, tbh. Just to get a sense of perspective, does anyone know the size of Bethesda's teams that worked on Fallout 4 and/or Skyrim?



Hope the best for the game. This is for the player, that is sure. i love AAA-Games



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Dgc1808 said:
SpokenTruth said:

Yes, and that doesn't change how they get paid. 

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2010/02/anatomy-of-a-60-dollar-video-game.html

GG is a Sony studio, so Sony paid that $47.5M (just going with the current Euro to USD conversion rate). Sony will be getting back ~$34 per game at a $60 retail price. Not $9. So about 1.4M sales needed to break even if that 45M Euro includes marketting. 

They get all $60 if its bought digitally aswell. 



Man that stupid comparison with zelda and witcher3.

All 3 games are different and are awesome.

Horizon 's worls scale is waay bigger then both zelda and witcher.

Not every game needs to he 500+ hours



 

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xl-klaudkil said:
Horizon 's worls scale is waay bigger then both zelda and witcher.

This hasn't been proven.