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irstupid said:
crissindahouse said:
With around 16000 homicides a year in USA and a crazy amount in some cities, I'm always surprised to read about the dangerous state Germany is in right now according to some American politicians and "reporters"

The size is insanely different. There is what 80 mil in Germany, and 320 million USA. So just statistically, the US should have like 4x the amount of homicides as Germany.  Don't know what germany has.

But as this topic points out, most of it is congested into a few big cities, and not just those big cities, but a few small areas in those big cities.

For the vast majority of American's there is no worry of homicides. I mean Chicago is like a 5 hour drive away for me. Hardly going to be scared of what i happening there. They aren't coming up to me and I ain't going there. And when I do ever go to chicago, it's in North Chicago or somewhere safe. Just as you hear of No Go zones in places in Europe now, there are the obvious no go zones in the big cities here too. 

I know that USA is 4x as big, I wouldn't say that if the homicide rate would be similar but it isn't.  



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VGPolyglot said:
irstupid said:

They don't want help. And giving help doesn't ever help. You think this would be the first time someone has tried to help some crime ridden poverty area?

The people making it a bad area don't want help. They like it how it is. They own the streets, the people, the fear, ect.

Go in and try and improve the area with and all it ends up doing is pushing whoever lives there out to a new area. It happens all the time in big cities. What was once a "no go" area in the city is now a happening place and great place to live, yet none of the people who used to live there do now. They all slowly move north or south from said area. They get priced out of their current homes, or they feel uncomfortable with the newer neighbors and leave. Noticed that black people especially seem to be uncomfortable with gay people moving into an area.

Yeah, because they're not really trying to improve the lives of people there, what they're doing is gentrifying the areas and forcing the poorer people out. I'm not advocating forcing the poor out to make the area more middle-class, I'm advocating helping the poor so that they are no longer poor.

Yes, but how do you do that? You can't. Gentrification is a natural order. There is no way for it to not happen.

If a poor area improves itself, people with more money will move in. Renters will see that they can raise prices and will, thus forcing out the poorer people. It's a natural thing that can't be stopped.

Same as those trying to stop the pay gap. There will always be rich and poor people. You can't stop that.



RolStoppable said:
crissindahouse said:
With around 16000 homicides a year in USA and a crazy amount in some cities, I'm always surprised to read about the dangerous state Germany is in right now according to some American politicians and "reporters"

You may be okay with Germany being turned into an islamic state and becoming a minority in your own country within the next decade, but that doesn't mean that it's not a frightening sight for others.

It helps that I am already the mority in the part of the city I live in. I'm used to all the "dangerous" Muslims around me



irstupid said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, because they're not really trying to improve the lives of people there, what they're doing is gentrifying the areas and forcing the poorer people out. I'm not advocating forcing the poor out to make the area more middle-class, I'm advocating helping the poor so that they are no longer poor.

Yes, but how do you do that? You can't. Gentrification is a natural order. There is no way for it to not happen.

If a poor area improves itself, people with more money will move in. Renters will see that they can raise prices and will, thus forcing out the poorer people. It's a natural thing that can't be stopped.

Same as those trying to stop the pay gap. There will always be rich and poor people. You can't stop that.

You must not know what my political beliefs are:

https://libcom.org/thought/anarchist-communism-an-introduction



VGPolyglot said:
JRPGfan said:

Get rid of guns, police wont have to fear getting shot by everyone avg joe public.

Then police brutality and police shootings will drop as a result.

Yeah, like the police would willingly give up their guns.

The police would keep theirs.

But not haveing to fear getting shot nearly as much, would mean they in turn would be less likely to shoot anyone.



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So what's the time line here? Per year, since 2001 or since 2004? Also any data on how many are wounded by intent per year in Chicago cos there's a lot off triple amputees around thanks to IEDS out there



VGPolyglot said:
JRPGfan said:

Get rid of guns, police wont have to fear getting shot by everyone avg joe public.

Then police brutality and police shootings will drop as a result.

Yeah, like the police would willingly give up their guns.

In the UK, the civil police gave up their guns.



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JRPGfan said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, like the police would willingly give up their guns.

The police would keep theirs.

But not haveing to fear getting shot nearly as much, would mean they in turn would be less likely to shoot anyone.

If they have guns, they're going to use them. There'd be no point in having them otherwise.



VGPolyglot said:
think-man said:
Get rid of guns and crimes will drop ten fold.

I'd say that inequality is a bigger problem. I'm not too keen on the police having a monopoly on guns when there are so many cases of police brutality and police shootings.

Take the guns off them too.  From the very creation of the American state neither regular Street police or citizens should have been allowed guns.  

 

Works in ireland.  I pity what America has become. 



vivster said:
Sooooo... war against Chicago?

good luck against this guy