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Is Nintendo too greedy?

Of course! 121 42.16%
 
No way! 69 24.04%
 
A little. 66 23.00%
 
See results. 31 10.80%
 
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niceguygameplayer said:
Miyamotoo said:
This is classic rant, you could make similar list for Sony and MS also, or any company out there.

There is truth there, especially MS, I think. But it seems they have learned. 

Thats goes for Sony to, their whole managing Vita, still no PS1 games on PS4, very limited PS2 games, if you want bigger storage you need to change whole HDD..



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1. Agree, really idiotic. Nintendo can't just assume that those who'll buy their product have one of the predecessors. No wonder 3DS sold less than DS.

2. So what? A lot of people like those "gimmicks" and put them above horsepower. Not all of the gimmicks worked well for Nintendo though.
I always disliked that you couldn't watch DVDs/Blu-Rays on Nintendo hardware. At least there is a good reason why you cannot on Switch

3. That's your opinion. I see many people excited for Snipperclips, Bomberman and Fast RMX. I don't know what defines a "big" game, and I don't see how they would have more value than a small one.

4. Wii U is a failed product. This is common practice when a product failes. All the others did it as well, Sega: Saturn, Microsoft: Original Xbox, Sony: Vita. All these where dropped faster than Wii U by the company behind them. All of them had worse support during there lifetime than Wii U, save maybe Xbox.

5. Yeah, that's not true

6. A pity, but it will come. How does it support your point though? Should they delay the console until VC is ready?
Are they greedy because VC isn't ready?

7. So what? They can't announce everything at once.

8. No. They have a lot more Switches ready for launch than Wii. The number is comparable to PS4 launch. But maybe Sony was creating artificial demand for over a year?

9. Probably not creating artificial demand. Just being clueless about how it would sell. Which in itself is bad enough!

10. 3DS got price drops. It's cheap enough for now. They can cut the price one more time later this year. Wii U was made too expensively. It really needed price cuts so it could at least sell alright. But the gamepad was too expensive to make.

11. Oh my god, Nintendo is so anti-consumer! So greedy!?

12. Agree on the pro controller at least. But HD rumble cost money I guess.

13. Lots of consoles did the same. And launched with a higher price tag.

14. 32 GB is very little yes. I think it should have been at least 64GB. But it would be a more expensive console then.

Some of your points are valid, others are ridiculous, some have nothing to do wth Nintendo being greedy. You ignored 2 very valid points however:
1. Nintendo's ridiculous YouTube policy
2. Nintendo games keep their high price point forever. (Or get only one price cut, if they are chosen as Nintendo Selects)



Oh boy, some reasons here are simply laughable, like "no headphone jack port".I guess its just too much entertaining to jump on Nintendo's throat.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Oh boy, some reasons here are simply laughable, like "no headphone jack port".I guess its just too much entertaining to jump on Nintendo's throat.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Trolling at its not so finest, you just seem like a whiner.



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Oh the irony, when you probably blindly support at least 1 of the 2 souless mega-corporations who don't care at all about video games or gamers and overprice their hardware, games, and online services.. 



 

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niceguygameplayer said:

I know this post will probably anger some Nintendo fans, but if you read all of this, you may agree.  I hope not to anger anyone though. I want to expose some dirty Nintendo practices and hopefully convince some to buy better else where. There are so many wrongs that Nintendo does against their customers. I believe in fair profit and business. I think they are too greedy and take advantage of their customers; especially their most loyal fans. This is no troll post. I honestly believe this, and here are my key points and some ranting:

1. This is the worst. No power cord for 3DS XL. I can only imagine how many people (especially parents that buy for children) bring home their already highly expensive handheld, just to discover that no power cable comes with it. It is not an optional purchase. It is mandatory for the system to work! Back out to the store to buy the power cord and possibly more gas.  For those parents " Sorry little Johnny, stop crying. I didn't know! Daddy will be back in a half an hour or so with the power cord. Oh wait, the store is about to close. You can just look at it's highly reflective screen until I get home from work tomorrow."

It sucks, but hardly a big deal. 

2. No powerful hardware for their home consoles. Only gimmicks to excuse making cheap hardware for large cost. They struck it rich with Wii and have been doing it since. Even the GameCube had no DVDCD player, unlike PS2 and Xbox. Well, I'm not sure about Xbox with DVD's, but it could play CD's, I think. Plus Xbox was the most powerful of it's generation and had a hard drive.

The Gamecube did have a DVDCD player, it was called the Panasonic Q and it barely sold anything. GC was cheaper and more powerful than the PS2 and Dreamcast but it still didn't sell well. 

3. No good launch lineup for Switch. Nintendo offers one big game that is available for their last generation console as well. 

Snipperclips, Fast RMX, Shovel Knight (with the new Specter of Torment campaign) will all release on launch-day and they all look like they will be good games. Fast RMX is 1080p and 60 fps with state of the art graphics and has 30 tracks with local and online multiplayer. This indie game packs more content than most AAA games. The Specter of Torment campaign will release first on the Switch and only in April on the other consoles. At the end of March the Switch will also get The Snake Pass. The PS4 also had a crappy launch-day by the way, the only exclusives were Knack and a Killzone game. 

4. No more support for Wii U. After Zelda, I think that is it for big titles. Can you guys name any? I think any big game company like Nintendo, that has billions in the bank, should support their consoles and customers, for at least 5 years. I can understand why Sega abandoned Dreamcast. They were in money trouble. One of Sega's top people had to put his personal funds into Sega to help his company. Nintendo could at least port Super Mario Odyssey to Wii U, since no proper 3D sequel to Super Mario Galaxy was made for Wii U. 

First you cry that Nintendo doesn't support the Switch enough and now you want them to also support the Wii U at the same time? They have supported the Wii U for a much longer period of time than Sony has supported the PS Vita. Wii U came in 2012 and Zelda releases in 2017, which is 5 years after the launch of the system. What are you complaining about exactly? 

5. I just read on here, in another forum post, no headphone jack for Switch. Is that really true?! If so, I'm almost shocked. "Turn that annoying game sound down! I can't hear the TV, youngun. But daddy, I can't hear what's going on if I turn it down. It's portable son, right? Go outside and play it. B but what about the 2 feet of snow, 20 degrees, strangers and wild pit bulls?"

There is a headphone jack on the Switch. And you can always use wireless headphones on it as well. 

6. No Virtual Console at launch. Details later as usual. 

Wii U also didn't launch with the Virtual Console. Who cares? No one buys a new console to play old games. 

7. No Metroid announced for Switch. How much do fans have to beg? 

Nintendo has many IPs, they can't possibly satisfy everyone. That's like complaining Sony doesn't make Jack & Daxter games anymore. 

8. No more preorders for Switch at many locations. Are they creating more demand like was rumored with the original Wii? 

I could pre-order the Switch just fine last week. 

9. No to making enough Nes Minis to meet demand. The same question as in #8. 

You can buy the Nes Mini at Amazon just fine. 

10. No price cuts for 3DS or Wii U in a long time. Maybe if Nintendo had not been so greedy with Wii U, it might have sold a lot more and made their money back with game sales along with the Wii U purchases like MS and Sony has done. 

The 3DS got a big price cut mere months after its release and early adopters got 30 free legacy games. They also released cheaper revisions like the 2DS. 

11. No Nintendo Direct for Switch. Even though I own no Nintendo systems, even I enjoy Nintendo Directs. I think many ppl do. Ever since Iwata passed, there have been very few. I miss Iwata BTW. I did not agree with many of his business decisions, but the guy was likable. 

Directs will come when Nintendo is ready to announce new information. The last one was in January. 

12. No decent prices. The pro controller and Joycons are priced out of the range of many people. The price of the Switch, a pro controller, an extra Joycon set for just on extra player, and a game... (Passes out.)

If they're priced out of the range of many people then why are they always sold out?

13. No pack in game! Next to having no power cord for 3DS XL, this is the worst. 1, 2 Switch would have been an ideal pack in from what I've read. A game to showcase what the Switch can do. No pack in game makes little sense even for Nintendo. That will bar some from even buying a Switch. Those that are poor will have little incentive to buy the switch when the $300 price tag is already high. Sony and MS offer more powerful consoles with a game at the same price. 

Very few consoles launch with a pack-in game these days. The PS4 and X1 didn't have a pack-in game at launch either and they were priced $400 and $500 respectively. Sony and MS don't offer portability with their consoles. 

14. No hard drive for Switch. Want to download Dragon Quest Heroes 1 and 2. Well too bad! It is a 32 gigabyte download. The same as the switch internal memory. Of course that internal memory won't be all free. Some will be used for the system. Even if it was all free, there would not be any space to save a game. I understand it's part portable, but couldn't they have gotten it up to 128 gigs? A lot can be stored on a tiny card now. Greedy again, Nintendo. I guess you can add the possible cost for an SD card to #12... (passes out again.) 

It supports SD cards up to two terabytes. SD cards are very cheap these days, so what's the problem here? Obviously it has no hard-drive built into it, it's a portable console. 

Well, I think that should be enough points to convince anyone but the most diehard Nintendo fans about the greed and disappointment of Nintendo. I could go all the way back to the NES days and point out greedy practices against 3rd parties as well as other things, but it would take too long for me. The Nintendo seal of quality has indeed been broken, in my opinion. Sony and Microsoft have better in store for your gaming dollars guys. Think about it. 



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vivster said:
Slarvax said:

They tried taking a loss on systems last gen. Didn't work out for them.

OT: I dont understand how making the internal storage small is greedy. An inconvenience, sure, but they don't sell proprietary memory cards. 

There are dissapointing things, and I believe their lack of communication for basic console-details is the biggest sin, and overall dumb. But every console launch is flawed. You honestly believe Nintendo is under-producing Switches (or any product) on purpose, after the gigantic, pathetic, and embarrasing failure that the Wii U, heck all of last gen was? You have to be really nuts to think that. 

Those were the points that annoyed me. Others were fair (#1, #10, #11), some I won't bother (#2, #6, #7). But I do believe one thing. Nintendo has been listening a lot to their fans lately (you can clearly see it with BotW, and even Splatoon 2), so I'm pretty sure they're also looking at feedback for this console launch. Year 1 already looks promising with a very consistent release schedule; they can only go up from here (unless we talk about the Wii U).

Something is very wrong with your system when your storage is too small to hold just one of your games. Making the storage big enough to fit at least every game without having to buy extra storage for yourself is very greedy, yes.

People give Sony and MS shit that they can't fit more than 10 big games on their storage and Nintendo can't even handle one. What's worse, they did that last gen as well so they didn't even react to consumer criticism. That is just reprehensible. It's spitting into your loyal customer's faces. Making your main product cheap and then force the customer to make up for it with more hidden costs is a shady busines tactic and deserves to be called out.

They could've just made the storage 64G but that would've made them a few cents less on the console. That was already too much for them.

It's not hidden costs, it's optional cost, you aren't forced to buy it for the system to work. I mainly buy physical and prob won't need to expand my storage for about 2 years at least.



Forum posters will do basic research when making threads eventually right? ....right?



Regarding number 1, after all the complaining here in VGC, I thought that was an issue that was inherit in all the 3DS family. Was ready to give my nephew an old DSi charger I had with his new Pokemon Moon 2DS, but it already came with a charger.

Is it just the new 3DS which doesn't have the charger?



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