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Peh said:
Mnementh said:

There was a study on Bregret (don't know where to find it, but I remember) that showed that some regretted voting leave, but not enough to change the outcome. And some that voted remain also regretted their vote. This Bregret thing is mostly bullshit. The country was split, half was against, half in favor. That doesn't change for most people overnight. A few that do change their opinion (and that is only natural) there blown out of proportion. But the protest against Brexit is organized among the people who where against it in the first place.

I assume with Trump is the same thing. Less than half of the voters voted for him. More voted for Hillary. And maybe some regretting voting for him, as some regret voting for Clinton. But that doesn't change anything. The lead in the deciding states was big enouh, much bigger than Bushs in Florida over Gore. So some people changing their opinion isn't relevant.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-majority-uk-remain-eu-theresa-may-article-50-second-referendum-latest-a7395811.html

http://www.businessinsider.de/brexit-vote-regret-leave-margin-victory-2016-10?r=US&IR=T

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/your-area-regret-voting-brexit-9810159

That's what I've found. According to them, the majority of people are now against the brexit.

The Independent is a lying shit-piece socialist anal rag. (edit, actually that's too kind, the owner just pisses money into it and it goes with anything anti russian, type "Donald Trump" in google and see where all the news sources are....The Independent...check the types of articles)

The Mirror is written for stupid people.

I don't know about Buisiness Insider.de but since it's germany based, it's safe to assume it's extremely pro EU and establishment BS.



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Peh said:
VGPolyglot said:

What about people who have no faith in the system at all? There are probably many people who have voted previously yet repeatedly do not see an improvement in their lives. Why would they want to vote when it continually does nothing for them?

They should vote for a party who represents their opinion.

Again, I just don't care who is who and what movement does what and what will the future possibly bring.

This thread is solely on the idiots who voted for any side and regret it shortly after.

There are way more positions than just two, but american presidential elections are basically a choice between two. Even if you consider the thrid-party-candidates, it is difficult to find someone with matching positions. It is easy to see, how some people like Trumps position on field A better, while at the same time like Clintons on field B better. This choices are really difficult.

And for Brexit: How many of the voters wanted to leave the EU, but wanted to keep Cameron. And how many of them wanted to get rid of Cameron, but wanted to keep staying in the EU.



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Mnementh said:
Peh said:

(1) Example:

The teaching of evolution shall be replaced with creationism in schools. Your position is on evolution, because that one is a scientific theory supported by evidence. Evolution is a fact. Creationism is not a scientific theory, it's not even science. People vote for creationism, because it's what they believe in and think that evolution is just a theory. After making their vote, creationism does indeed win. And evolution is being banned in schools. Some people who didn't know much about the subject or didn't care much about the subject at all voted for creationsism and regret their vote after the outcome is clear and realise what the topic is about. So, they wish they could have voted for evolution instead. Even worse, the people who were misinformed or didn't care are now in the majority for the evolution vote.

And you tell me you would be OK with that, because you don't wanna judge the decision of other adult persons. This is an extreme example so I can make my position clear on this topic. It's not to insult anyones believes. But I didn't wanted to make it to difficult to undestand. Do you understand where I am going with this?

(2) Accepting the results and regretting the vote immediately after voting for the results has nothing to do with each other and nothing what this thread has to do with that. A democraty have always an opposition and accepting the result, doesn't mean you also have to comply with everything that follows.

(1) What if you mforce evolution on them, against their will. Will that change the people?

I grew up in eastern germany. The government thought it decides what's best for the people, even if they think different. They decided evolution is the thing to teach in school, so this is what I learned. but ask yourself, is this kind of decision-making the right way, even if it prevents in some cases bad decisions?

(2) Nono, you don't have to comply. But point here is - you are unhappy with the results, and that is completely OK and understandable. So you point at the regretters as the party to blame. But that is worrysome, because they are always there. Think in four years, Trump loses closely against the resurrected John F. Kennedy. But afterwards Trump points to people regretting it and therefore taking the result in question. Is that good.

You can test all your suggestions to remedy the situation against a simple scenario: what if Trump implements your suggestions the next election. Would you oppose it? If you would, your suggestion is probably bad also in the case it helps to bring a result which you favor. So you suggested - maybe not so serious - people should take a test about policy-positions of the candidates before the election. Would you like it if Trump implements such a test for the next election?

(1) That wouldn't be democratic.

(2) I don't know what you are trying to say. Can you rephrase it?



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Peh said:
VGPolyglot said:

Or maybe they see that no matter who they vote for, they will still lose in the end?

It doesn't matter. All I want is people to vote without regrets.

You have an opinion and you stay by it. So, you inform yourself about the parties and their goals and vote accordingly. Even if they lose. You make your vote without regret and stand therefore as the opposition. That's what a democracy is about.  And possibly that's why I dig the german democracy system more than the US. Because your vote never loses on weight even if your party has less percentage than any other.

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Peh said:
Mnementh said:

(1) What if you mforce evolution on them, against their will. Will that change the people?

I grew up in eastern germany. The government thought it decides what's best for the people, even if they think different. They decided evolution is the thing to teach in school, so this is what I learned. but ask yourself, is this kind of decision-making the right way, even if it prevents in some cases bad decisions?

(2) Nono, you don't have to comply. But point here is - you are unhappy with the results, and that is completely OK and understandable. So you point at the regretters as the party to blame. But that is worrysome, because they are always there. Think in four years, Trump loses closely against the resurrected John F. Kennedy. But afterwards Trump points to people regretting it and therefore taking the result in question. Is that good.

You can test all your suggestions to remedy the situation against a simple scenario: what if Trump implements your suggestions the next election. Would you oppose it? If you would, your suggestion is probably bad also in the case it helps to bring a result which you favor. So you suggested - maybe not so serious - people should take a test about policy-positions of the candidates before the election. Would you like it if Trump implements such a test for the next election?

(1) That wouldn't be democratic.

(2) I don't know what you are trying to say. Can you rephrase it?

I'm not quoting this specifically, but to answer your wish of not wanting people to vote and have regrets.

You are never going to find the answer to that in partisan polling data.

The exact question being asked will never be an honest one, the results will be skewed by targeting certain demographics etc.

This goes for both ways. I'm a hardcore brexiteer (and I started at a pro eu position until a couple of years ago).

Every day I become more solidified in my anti-eu stance, and I know this is generally true for remainers and leavers alikes.

Stop looking at biased, twisted, demented "news" for answers and have honest discussions with people that disagree with you. I don't think you'll find ANYONE that regrets voting for Brexit.

Sure you WILL find people who are pissed off with the bullshit court cases, the attempt by labour, SNP and libdem MPs to overturn democracy and utter feet dragging in all corners. That silly cow from British Guinea who took a case to the Supreme Court to force parliament to vote on debating triggering article 50 for example....

Apparently she was fighting for the public!!!!?

GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is NOT regret, that's RAGE and the disgusting behaviour of the media and remainers in general to be quite honest.



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Mnementh said:
Peh said:

It doesn't matter. All I want is people to vote without regrets.

You have an opinion and you stay by it. So, you inform yourself about the parties and their goals and vote accordingly. Even if they lose. You make your vote without regret and stand therefore as the opposition. That's what a democracy is about.  And possibly that's why I dig the german democracy system more than the US. Because your vote never loses on weight even if your party has less percentage than any other.

I want the sun to rise in the north. And a moon made from cheese. Or even better: icecream.

That's not helping, you know?



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Peh said:

(1) That wouldn't be democratic.

(2) I don't know what you are trying to say. Can you rephrase it?

(1) My point exactly. Democracy includes votes considered bad afterwards.

(2) Well, everything you suggest, should be tried by thinking Trump may implement this suggestion. So he decides about the test the people have to take before election. Is it still a good idea then? If your suggestion is a good one, it would stay a good one if Trump is the one implementing it. That is the test you should take for determining if you improve the process. Do you have any suggestion withstanding this test and improving the situation on the regretters?



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Peh said:
Mnementh said:

I want the sun to rise in the north. And a moon made from cheese. Or even better: icecream.

That's not helping, you know?

Yeah, you can't change human nature. People will elect because they are lazy and take the first option coming to mind, because they always elected democrats, because they hate Obama, because they want to protest establishment, because just yesterday they read a rumor about Trump/Clinton, because ... whatever. There is no way you can avoid voters that will instantly regret their decision, even more so two months after the election.



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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
was hoping he would focus on common ground like trade deals and infrastructure. Instead he has focused on the most divisive issues like travel bans and walls

You mean you hoped he would focus on the things that democrats should and didn't do under their policy stance.

Trump is following through on those things as well as the other policy line up he promised that doesn't tally with democrat's wishes, Hillary didn't win the election.

This is not to be rude because what you say sounds reasonable but is actually completely unreasonable because the things you want are universal thins that all americans want.

Building a wall is not a divisive issues except in the imaginary world of the media and the brainwashed liberal posse who don't know what they are actually fighting for. You against borders? You against a president making decsions on immigration when a threat is perceived?

....I don't remember Bush being congratulated for the twin towers incident.