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Snoopy on 19 February 2017
NATO said:
Snoopy said:

It's regarding this

 > implying the Xbox brand was ever as strong as PlayStation, when in reality the lead only ever existed because of the year market headstart

My point is as long xbox has US and UK, they will be successful since those regions buy the most games. They could also dominate both those regions easily. Even with their mess ups, they are doing well in US and UK.

Let's see here, ONLY a few million behind you say? Now let's say they were 2 million behind just to make the math easy, to BREAK EVEN in the US, Xbox would have to outsell PS4 by 40k per week to do it in a year, it currently sells on average 40k vs ps4's 60k, so you're looking at needing a monthly increase from 40k a week to 100k a week just to break even, if they fall short and only sell 80k a week it'll take them two years, 70k a week? 4 years.

 

they aren't going to do it, not with Xbox and not with Scorpio, and I'll tell you exactly why, it isn't the consoles power, it's the lack of games people want to play. It has some good games don't get me wrong, but nowhere near as diverse and expansive a library, just the ever shrinking halo crowd and the hangers-on from the glory days of the 360.

2 million isn't a lot considering how badly Microsoft botch the launch of the xbox one system. If Microsoft had the same price and went for power I have no doubt xbox would've dominated the ps4 with ease in united states. The top thirty best selling games on ps4 are all multiplatform except one. If xbox scorpio sells out which is quite possible that alone should put it ahead in North America. 4k tvs are being adopted faster than 1080p tvs. Everyone who is getting a 4k tv will want an xbox scorpio for their games and blu rays.  Not to mention it will probably be the cheapest way to play games when the ps5/xbox scorpio 2 comes out. Microsoft is just doing what the market dictates them to do.



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Faelco on 19 February 2017
Snoopy said:

If those Japanese games held a lot of weight in sells Microsoft wouldn't make a scorpio, but make Japanese games. Since a lot of those Japanese games are cheap to make, but they know as well as everyone they don't.

Like Recore, like Scalebound, and once again, like the games Spencer wants to get by going to Japan ("I'll be in Japan talking to third party publishers" seems clear enough). "Being unable to get Japanese games regularly" is not the same thing as "Not wanting to develop Japanese games". 



Snoopy on 19 February 2017
Faelco said:
Snoopy said:

If those Japanese games held a lot of weight in sells Microsoft wouldn't make a scorpio, but make Japanese games. Since a lot of those Japanese games are cheap to make, but they know as well as everyone they don't.

Like Recore, like Scalebound, and once again, like the games Spencer wants to get by going to Japan ("I'll be in Japan talking to third party publishers" seems clear enough). "Being unable to get Japanese games regularly" is not the same thing as "Not wanting to develop Japanese games". 

Phil removed scalebound and  putting more time and effort in the UK and US market for game development. Which is the right choice. Forza Horizon 3 sold over 2.5 million retail and apperently that is just from NPD. Not including europe or digital. Microsoft is putting more and more focus on games that can be juggernaughts for the future. Another game that could pull it off is State of decay 2 because the original game broke records. More than what any Japanese niche game could ever hope for.



fatslob-:O on 19 February 2017

Phil Spencer is getting old with his teases ...

He keeps promising Japanese developed games only later to fail on delivering them ...

When is he going to start living up to his words ?



Faelco on 19 February 2017
Snoopy said:
Faelco said:

Like Recore, like Scalebound, and once again, like the games Spencer wants to get by going to Japan ("I'll be in Japan talking to third party publishers" seems clear enough). "Being unable to get Japanese games regularly" is not the same thing as "Not wanting to develop Japanese games". 

Phil removed scalebound and  putting more time and effort in the UK and US market for game development. Which is the right choice. Forza Horizon 3 sold over 2.5 million retail and apperently that is just from NPD. Not including europe or digital. Microsoft is putting more and more focus on games that can be juggernaughts for the future. Another game that could pull it off is State of decay 2 because the original game broke records. More than what any Japanese niche game could ever hope for.

You're trying to show the cancellation of Scalebound as a well-thought strategy when it was just a failure and they cut their losses as much as they could. Not a "right choice", a failure with no other choice. They wanted that game and advertised it a lot, they were betting on it, the development failed, that's it. No "They decided that less Japanese games is better" in that.

 

"More and more focus on games that can be juggernaughts for the future"... Like Halo and Gears, Halo and Gears, Halo and Gears? Oh, sorry, Halo/Gears/Forza, Halo/Gears/Forza, Halo/Gears/Forza? Did the future really repeat itself every year for the last 10 years?



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Snoopy on 19 February 2017
Faelco said:
Snoopy said:

Phil removed scalebound and  putting more time and effort in the UK and US market for game development. Which is the right choice. Forza Horizon 3 sold over 2.5 million retail and apperently that is just from NPD. Not including europe or digital. Microsoft is putting more and more focus on games that can be juggernaughts for the future. Another game that could pull it off is State of decay 2 because the original game broke records. More than what any Japanese niche game could ever hope for.

You're trying to show the cancellation of Scalebound as a well-thought strategy when it was just a failure and they cut their losses as much as they could. Not a "right choice", a failure with no other choice. They wanted that game and advertised it a lot, they were betting on it, the development failed, that's it. No "They decided that less Japanese games is better" in that.

 

"More and more focus on games that can be juggernaughts for the future"... Like Halo and Gears, Halo and Gears, Halo and Gears? Oh, sorry, Halo/Gears/Forza, Halo/Gears/Forza, Halo/Gears/Forza? Did the future really repeat itself every year for the last 10 years?

Yes cancelling scalebound was a well thought out strategy. Why sit their and pour money into a game that isn't doing well and nobody is going to buy? Microsoft is rich for a reason because they make smart decisions or when they do make bad decisions they can adapt quickly. They can use the money they scrapped from scalebound to give us another game or make an exsisting game better. Rather than pour money into a game that isn't going anywhere. Microsoft published / created quantum break, Killer Instinct, Recore, Sunset overdrive, dead rising, State of decay, Ori and blind forest, Halo Wars, Halo, Gears, Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon which if you look are each different in it's own right. Soon we are getting crackdown, sea of theives, cup head and more.There is nothing wrong making same games at all. I don't want to buy a Nintendo system without zelda, mario, metroid and more. A lot of people agree with me because Forza, Halo and Gears are all billion dollar franchises. And who knows, Microsoft can make another billion dollar franchise or buy one out like they did with Minecraft which they can use in the future to push xbox.



hudsoniscool on 19 February 2017

I'm hoping Scorpio causes a noticeable change in all games over standard one. And some games(probably only 1st and 2nd party) have exclusive features and content. Like halo 6 warzone mode 'only possible on Scorpio'. I'm glad Phil gets that every game needs improvement.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

Snoopy on 19 February 2017
Radek said:
Snoopy said:

Yes cancelling scalebound was a well thought out strategy. Why sit their and pour money into a game that isn't doing well and nobody is going to buy? Microsoft is rich for a reason because they make smart decisions or when they do make bad decisions they can adapt quickly. They can use the money they scrapped from scalebound to give us another game or make an exsisting game better. Rather than pour money into a game that isn't going anywhere. Microsoft published / created quantum break, Killer Instinct, Recore, Sunset overdrive, dead rising, State of decay, Ori and blind forest, Halo Wars, Halo, Gears, Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon which if you look are each different in it's own right. Soon we are getting crackdown, sea of theives, cup head and more.There is nothing wrong making same games at all. I don't want to buy a Nintendo system without zelda, mario, metroid and more. A lot of people agree with me because Forza, Halo and Gears are all billion dollar franchises. And who knows, Microsoft can make another billion dollar franchise or buy one out like they did with Minecraft which they can use in the future to push xbox.

Gears 4 sold 2.72 million units in 3 months according to vgchartz.

Almost nobody cares about Gears & Halo.

Gears 4 sold do poorly that Microsoft never announced its numbers.

Uncharted 4 sold as many copies in just 2 weeks.

Yet Gears 4 outsold all the Japanese games you've listed by a large margin. It even outsold Bloodborne on a smaller install base in less time lol. 



Snoopy on 19 February 2017
Radek said:
Snoopy said:

Yet Gears 4 outsold all the Japanese games you've listed by a large margin. It even outsold Bloodborne on a smaller install base in less time lol. 

You Are the one calling Gears a Goliath and billion dollar franchise.

It is. It sold very well and vgchartz doesn't track digital sales which is very big for multiplayer games espcially UWP games. For example, Halo 5 is marked less than 5 million sells on vgchartz, but Frank Connor confirmed the game sold over 5 million in just 3 months. A lot of it due to digital sales.



hudsoniscool on 19 February 2017
Radek said:
Snoopy said:

Yes cancelling scalebound was a well thought out strategy. Why sit their and pour money into a game that isn't doing well and nobody is going to buy? Microsoft is rich for a reason because they make smart decisions or when they do make bad decisions they can adapt quickly. They can use the money they scrapped from scalebound to give us another game or make an exsisting game better. Rather than pour money into a game that isn't going anywhere. Microsoft published / created quantum break, Killer Instinct, Recore, Sunset overdrive, dead rising, State of decay, Ori and blind forest, Halo Wars, Halo, Gears, Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon which if you look are each different in it's own right. Soon we are getting crackdown, sea of theives, cup head and more.There is nothing wrong making same games at all. I don't want to buy a Nintendo system without zelda, mario, metroid and more. A lot of people agree with me because Forza, Halo and Gears are all billion dollar franchises. And who knows, Microsoft can make another billion dollar franchise or buy one out like they did with Minecraft which they can use in the future to push xbox.

Gears 4 sold 2.72 million units in 3 months according to vgchartz.

Almost nobody cares about Gears & Halo.

Gears 4 sold so poorly that Microsoft never announced its numbers.

Uncharted 4 sold as many copies in just 2 weeks.

lol I'm quite happy about 2.72 million physical copies. Probably about 3 million or more when including pc. Recent publisher financial data has shown that digital is at 25-low 30's for aaa console games. Gears 4 is play anywhere so has increased incentive to buy digital. 25% digital puts the game at almost 4 million. That's bad sales? Or is urs a joke post.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.