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Slimebeast on 17 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Slimebeast said:

Communist used as a slur word for socialist.

What does that have to do with what I said?

You questioned whether communists can have such power as I claim culturally.

I explained that I actually mean socialists. You do agree that socialists (a very broad term) outnumber self proclaimed communists by several magnitudes, right?

Or perhaps I didn't even use the term communist in this thread. If so, I don't understand what you objected against then.



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Soundwave on 17 February 2017
Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

Even if it does have a heriditary factor, how many of us know a family where one sibling is very smart (at least in terms of school grades) and yet they have a sibling that is far from it? 

Happens all the time, and that's from about as geneticially "pure" of a sample as you can get (the same exact parents). Applying such broad generic generalizations to huge groups of people makes even less sense. 

lol you seriously question if intelligence is hereditary?

It's a component, but it's certainly not the be all, end all. Like I said how many of us know a family where one child is incredibly gifted at school yet their very own sibling is average or even below average? Happens all the time, if there's a direct A to B link there shouldn't be any difference. And I've met many families where the parents where average/nothing special scholastically yet they have a child who is apparently brilliant at math or something. 

https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

If you look at IQ scores globally too, Asian countries dominate the top of the charts, and Mongolia somehow is higher than every Europe or American country with the exception of Italy. I guess you dumb Europeans should bow down to your Mongolian master race? ;)



VGPolyglot on 17 February 2017
Slimebeast said:
VGPolyglot said:

What does that have to do with what I said?

You questioned whether communists can have such power as I claim culturally.

I explained that I actually mean socialists. You do agree that socialists (a very broad term) outnumber self proclaimed communists by several magnitudes, right?

Or perhaps I didn't even use the term communist in this thread. If so, I don't understand what you objected against then.

You specifically referred to Marxism, so if you didn't mean communism what did you mean? And yes, there are many more self-proclaimed socialists than self-proclaimed communists, but what many people view as socialism is actually social democracy.



VGPolyglot on 17 February 2017
Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

lol you seriously question if intelligence is hereditary?

It's a component, but it's certainly not the be all, end all. Like I said how many of us know a family where one child is incredibly gifted at school yet their very own sibling is average or even below average? Happens all the time, if there's a direct A to B link there shouldn't be any difference. 

If you look at IQ scores globally too, Asian countries dominate the top of the charts, and Mongolia somehow is higher than every Europe or American country with the exception of Italy. I guess you dumb Europeans should bow down to your Mongolian master race? ;)

Another thing to debunk what he says is the fact that there's also two Koreas, who despite sharing the same race, and having the same culture prior to 1945, are vastly differnent.



fatslob-:O on 17 February 2017
Soundwave said:

Intelligence isn't the be all end all of success. 

America is probably more relevant to the world precisely because they are a bit dumber and more prone to militarism. 

Also Europe basically castrated itself due to nationalist wars capped off by World War II where they almost demolished each other. So basically America won by default. 

And the gap certainly does begin to close when you fix environmental factors. 

It pretty much is when we can propogate the benefits among the population ... 

VGPolyglot said:

OK, then how do you explain Cuba's dramatic rise in literacy rate after Castro took power? The environment is the most important aspect of them all.

Literacy =/= IQ 

Thank you very much ...  

Environment has a lot of effects on education but the same is not true for IQ since it measures your ability to learn ... 

Soundwave said:

The other part of this equation you won't like as much ... liberals tend to score higher on IQ tests than conservatives do, the smartest of which are the so-called "liberal elite".

It doesn't bother me if it means them forcefully accepting the consequences of different races ... (Sooner or later they'll ditch the romanticism and start facing the actual facts.) 



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Slimebeast on 17 February 2017
Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

lol you seriously question if intelligence is hereditary?

It's a component, but it's certainly not the be all, end all. Like I said how many of us know a family where one child is incredibly gifted at school yet their very own sibling is average or even below average? Happens all the time, if there's a direct A to B link there shouldn't be any difference. 

If you look at IQ scores globally too, Asian countries dominate the top of the charts, and Mongolia somehow is higher than every Europe or American country with the exception of Italy. I guess you dumb Europeans should bow down to your Mongolian master race? ;)

Yeah, but you questioned a hereditary component in general. Which is to question a very elementary biological fact.

Because the subject about hereditary traits is taboo, there ain't much quality researach been done on the subject, therefore those global charts must be taken with a pinch of salt. But they show a tendency.



Slimebeast on 17 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Slimebeast said:

You questioned whether communists can have such power as I claim culturally.

I explained that I actually mean socialists. You do agree that socialists (a very broad term) outnumber self proclaimed communists by several magnitudes, right?

Or perhaps I didn't even use the term communist in this thread. If so, I don't understand what you objected against then.

You specifically referred to Marxism, so if you didn't mean communism what did you mean? And yes, there are many more self-proclaimed socialists than self-proclaimed communists, but what many people view as socialism is actually social democracy.

Because Marxism is a form of socialism, and Marx is by far the most important thinker who formed the ideology of socialism.

The term "cultural Marxism" could have been called "cultural socialism" or "cultural communism" as well.

Social democracy is not as strongly rooted in ideology as the schools mentioned above, it's more pragmatic.



Soundwave on 17 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Soundwave said:

It's a component, but it's certainly not the be all, end all. Like I said how many of us know a family where one child is incredibly gifted at school yet their very own sibling is average or even below average? Happens all the time, if there's a direct A to B link there shouldn't be any difference. 

If you look at IQ scores globally too, Asian countries dominate the top of the charts, and Mongolia somehow is higher than every Europe or American country with the exception of Italy. I guess you dumb Europeans should bow down to your Mongolian master race? ;)

Another thing to debunk what he says is the fact that there's also two Koreas, who despite sharing the same race, and having the same culture prior to 1945, are vastly differnent.

Yeah Korea is an obvious test study there, South Korea almost consistently scores right at the top of the list of these tests dwarfing any European country. Yet North Korea? Good luck ...

Beyond that I'm not even sure why white supremasists hang onto this theory as it isn't even that particularily flattering towards them. The highest European country by IQ testing is apparently Italy ... and Italy is probably one of the least "pure Aryan" countries in Europe as the population has fairly clear genetic influence from the middle east due to past invasions. Shouldn't "supremacy" mean being no.1, not like 4th or 5th place? 

India would be another interesting test study as they consistently have the most brilliant students and IQ scores in many cases but also with extreme poverty, literacy is still a problem in parts of the country, so they may simultaneously have the highest and among the lowest scoring populaces on these types of tests. 



VGPolyglot on 17 February 2017
fatslob-:O said:
Soundwave said:

Intelligence isn't the be all end all of success. 

America is probably more relevant to the world precisely because they are a bit dumber and more prone to militarism. 

Also Europe basically castrated itself due to nationalist wars capped off by World War II where they almost demolished each other. So basically America won by default. 

And the gap certainly does begin to close when you fix environmental factors. 

It pretty much is when we can propogate the benefits among the population ... 

VGPolyglot said:

OK, then how do you explain Cuba's dramatic rise in literacy rate after Castro took power? The environment is the most important aspect of them all.

Literacy =/= IQ 

Thank you very much ...  

Environment has a lot of effects on education but the same is not true for IQ since it measures your ability to learn ... 

Soundwave said:

The other part of this equation you won't like as much ... liberals tend to score higher on IQ tests than conservatives do, the smartest of which are the so-called "liberal elite".

It doesn't bother me if it means them forcefully accepting the consequences of different races ... (Sooner or later they'll ditch the romanticism and start facing the actual facts.) 

Explain Korea then. They share the same race, they have a shared history, yet they're vastly differnent. And your last sentence of "accepting the consequences of different races" really scares me, it sounds like you're considering other races as nuisances and that's a very dangerous though.



FIT_Gamer on 17 February 2017

Well this thread was derailed fast. 7 pages of arguing about I.Q.