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So, what do you think?

No, not at all. Innovatio... 122 33.42%
 
Not really, but I'd like... 92 25.21%
 
Don't know. Time will tell? 11 3.01%
 
Yeah, more less. Traditional is good. 47 12.88%
 
Absolutely. PS4 and Xbox ... 52 14.25%
 
What's "traditional" anyway? 19 5.21%
 
Show me the answers! 22 6.03%
 
Total:365

When they showed the first trailer, I got excited. It was brilliant. A console you can take anywhere, but also offers games on PS4/XB1 plus Nintendo exclusives, only slightly downgraded in handheld mode. And you could continue playing at home. That is the future. But they shoot themselves in the foot once again with the Joycons. They had to downgrade the hardware so much due to HD rumble and motion controls that most third party developers are not able to bring their AAA games to Switch besides some last gen ports. The ridiculous controller/software prices and payed online are not helping either.



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I think it boils down to this. Microsoft and Sony need AAA third parties to survive. Games likes Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, Battlefield/Battlefront, FIFA, Madden, and Fallout are the biggest sellers on those platforms. So those systems need the extra horsepower to make third parties happy. Thus Sony and MS build expensive systems, and should they sell them at a loss they have other divisions that can make up the difference.

Nintendo, conversely, has a stable of hugely popular first-party games. So it doesn't need third parties to survive. It doesn't need to make powerful systems because its own software doesn't require cutting-edge tech and it doesn't find much financial sense in making expensive concessions to third parties. Plus, Nintendo is a company solely focused on gaming. It can't rely on other divisions to cover losses on hardware development and manufacturing.

Making a "traditional" console would be much more expensive and risky, and it wouldn't benefit Nintendo's games (or the games of its partners), the most attractive weapon in its arsenal. It would really only benefit AAA third parties, who would suddenly have a new suitor against which they could leverage Sony and Microsoft.



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When they showed the first trailer, I got excited. It was brilliant. A console you can take anywhere, but also offers games on PS4/XB1 plus Nintendo exclusives, only slightly downgraded in handheld mode. And you could continue playing at home. That is the future. But they shoot themselves in the foot once again with the Joycons. They had to downgrade the hardware so much due to HD rumble and motion controls that most third party developers are not able to bring their AAA games to Switch besides some last gen ports. The ridiculous controller/software prices and payed online are not helping either.

Switch's hardware is what it is because it's physically impossible to pack a better chipset in such a small case without overheating and abysmal battery life.



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Depends on the gimmick.

Portable? That is neat.
Portable to desktop? Interesting but power issues.
Motion control? No.
HD Rumble, and Amiibos? Still No.

$90 docks, $80 Joycons, $70 pro controllers? Nope.

That said I just use Nintendo for Nintendo exclusives. Various games(like Disgaea 5) being portable is just a benefit.
So because I have a Ps4 and XB1 - I don't want another.

If I had none of them? Then yes because I'd want the best bang for my buck.



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A Nintendo console that sees them ....." Stop innovating"......and become a color by the numbers drone, like the pig-monkey-men at Sony have made out of the PS4, would be cool. Assuming they could still innovate. Which they might have trouble with??? Because they don't have a second screen to work with????? Or something? What could they even do without that second, innovative screen? I know I would just fold up and die if my creativity were so stifled. Third party and spec parity would also be seen as a sign of weakness by philosophy majors the world over. Shit could be better for Nintendo. And if anybody says that they can't compete with Sony and MS, I challenge you to a fistfight.



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No because it doesn't benefit their approach, people only say make a traditional console because they think it would have the same situation as the PS and XB brand when that would never happen as the are other factors in play.



That isn't really a good question, as it assumes no middle-ground between what Nintendo has been doing and what Microsoft and Sony have been doing. It also creates a simplified view of the world where products like Eye Toy, Kinect, and Playstation VR never existed. "Nintendo innovates and no one else does anything but release a box," is a false dichotomy.

The truth is, innovation for the sake of innovation rarely improves upon the standard model. Standard models are standard models because they work. If you have something that improves upon that, or is better than that, then marketing that product is good for everyone. However, when your innovation is something that really doesn't improve anything, then all you're really doing is creating a gimmick to sell your product.

Should Nintendo continue to innovate? Yes, if they can, though true innovation is rare. Should Nintendo depend on gimmicks when they're unable to create something truly innovative? Well, that's up to them, though that business model will be full of strike-outs between the home-runs. It will also mean your consumer base erodes during the down periods.

The lesson Nintendo should have learned from the Wii U is not that gimmicks are necessarily bad, it's that EXPENSIVE gimmicks are bad and expensive gimmicks that you cannot divorce yourself from are killer.

I guess, really, rather than stop with innovations, they just need to do a better job of not depending on bad gimmicks. Easier said than done, of course.




YES !!!!!

Ive been saying this for years now.

1) Make a console that has up to date specs.
2) Put enough power in it so that all developers/ Publishers can release their games on it.
3) Develop a FRIENDLY controller. It needs to be able to play COMPETITIVE multiplayer games/ Comfortable controller.
4) Create bold Adult friendly games.
5) Keep their base franchises, but don't flood the console with too many (Mario) releases.



After the immense success that was the Wii (seriously, that thing printed money), I don't think Nintendo will ever try for another traditional console. At least not for a while.

On a related note, do we need another traditional console maker? Microsoft and Sony already have that realm covered, why not have a third that tries something different?



I don't think they need a brand-new high-end traditional console...

Just take the switch, throw away the Joy Cons, Screen, Battery, Dock, sell it for a fraction of the price... Profit.



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