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I think there was a temporary boost in sales for the PSP when they cut the price, at least in the UK.



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KruzeS said:
RolStoppable said:

And on topic: I believe that the Wii will pass the 360 in the USA this year.

No way. I think it will eventualy, contrary to popular belief, but not this year.

The Wii would have to do much better than it did until now, and the 360 could not have another holiday season like last year's for that to happen.

All evidence points to the Wii (at best) being supply constrained (and thus doing only better, not unbelievably "oh, my God!" better), and to the 360 having a good enough lineup to fend off the Wii in America for a little longer.

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=America&cons2=PS3&reg2=America&cons3=X360&reg3=America

No hope for wordwide, though.

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All


Kruze S, I love your signature by the way. "Reality has a Nintendo bias." Had me laughing off my chair when I first saw it.

Read my post history and look at the many times I made my predictions on the outcome of the consoles.

360 has been at 9 million for 5 going on 6 months. It's stuck in quicksand momentum wise. Wii's rushing like Niagara Falls. Worldwide it's a foregone conclusion and while most don't agree with me that Wii can beat XBox 360 in the Americas within month of July it is CERTAIN by nearly everyone that they can get 'em by end of year.

Wii will sell 20 million worldwide GUARANTEED. This puts them well over XBox 360 who only has Halo 3 to push sales for the most part. Holiday season. Think holiday season. Think months leading up to holiday season.

Wii won't slow down much at all and it will even be strong within the summer. By fall it's gonna hit its ""super smash power" so to speak (only referencing the game not talking about its release) and scare us all with its amazing numbers on the charts to the likes of how we see DS in Japan. Once fall starts it hits its superpowered stride and it will consume XBox 360 like Pac-Man on power pellets to a ghost. When it finishes eating the green ghost a "360" point graphic will pop up in the eaten ghosts place and then it will go for the cherry—the green cherry the color of dollar bills.

John Lucas 



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But it's not just Halo. And I know the 360 seems stuck, but it's been selling consistently the same amount in the US throughout all it's life - it's not slowing down, and it won't slow down any time soon. That's except for the fantastic holiday season. That won't repeat itself, not with the same magnitude, but you will see a boost - we always do, and the 360's holiday lineup is good.



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johnlucas said:

Wii will sell 20 million worldwide GUARANTEED. This puts them well over XBox 360 who only has Halo 3 to push sales for the most part. Holiday season. Think holiday season. Think months leading up to holiday season.



 john, saying the 360 only has Halo is like saying the Wii is only for kids. It's just plain wrong. Yes Halo 3 will be a major console seller this year (Probably the biggest), but there are still plenty more strong 360 releases lined up.  I know you're better than that man.



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ckmlb said:
Prediction: PS3 price drops 100 dollars before holidays...

Prediction: It won't make a difference...



RolStoppable said:
stof said:
johnlucas said:

Wii will sell 20 million worldwide GUARANTEED. This puts them well over XBox 360 who only has Halo 3 to push sales for the most part. Holiday season. Think holiday season. Think months leading up to holiday season.



john, saying the 360 only has Halo is like saying the Wii is only for kids. It's just plain wrong. Yes Halo 3 will be a major console seller this year (Probably the biggest), but there are still plenty more strong 360 releases lined up. I know you're better than that man.


Which other strong 360 releases will move lots of consoles?

Forza? The 360 has already PGR3. Although these two games have differences, they are not significant.

Mass Effect? How many units did Kotor sell, 1.5-2.0 million? Now a western RPG without the Star Wars license, plus the 360 had already Oblivion that catered to the western RPG fans.

Bioshock isn't the typical FPS, I don't doubt that it will be a good game, but it won't sell well.

Shadowrun was mentioned, but it's just an online multiplayer FPS, the 360 has enough online enabled FPS games.

The problem with the 360's lineup is that the big releases this year are basically more of the same: if you are a racing game fan you got the 360 already for PGR3, if you like western RPG you got the 360 for Oblivion, if you like FPS, well you know, there are already lots of it, plus Gears of War.

There is Blue Dragon, but a game with such "kiddie" graphics is supposed to sell a lot of units or even move systems? At least it's a JRPG, something the 360 didn't have so far. Viva Pinata was a good game, had good graphics (but "kiddie"), the problem was that the 360 gamers were the wrong audience for such a game. I can see the same thing happen to Blue Dragon.

So it all comes back to Halo 3. This game will get more hype from Microsoft than Halo 2 or Gears of War. How many people bought Crackdown mainly for the Halo 3 beta? Halo 3 is THE 360 game this year.

Every big game for the 360 this year is for the existing audience (except Blue Dragon), this makes it hard to have a real system seller. In this case you need hype to move systems and which game will get the most hype? Halo 3.

I think I forgot about one major game, what was it again?


Your casual dismissal of Mass Effect, Forza 2, Bio Shock, Shadowrun, GTA IV (unmentioned) and Blue Dragon is pretty impressive. Those games will sell systems, just as Metroid Prime, SM Galaxy, and SSBB will. 

How about, instead of saying: "My system has great games and your system doesn't and my system will beat you all," we all admit that each system has some powerful and compelling exclusive titles for the Christmas season? I absolutely agre, Rolstoppable, that the Wii is very likely to sell the most systems this Christmas. I'd add that I'm likely to pick one up (and I haven't owned a console in almost 10 years). I'm not arguing with that. But this isn't black and white: it isn't as if Nintendo "wins" and everyone else completely "loses." Wii will probably sell best, and Xbox360 and PS3 will sell some, too, and all three systems will have great games. I know it's not as exciting when phrased that way, but it's also true. 



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RolStoppable said:
Bodhesatva said:

Your casual dismissal of Mass Effect, Forza 2, Bio Shock, Shadowrun, GTA IV (unmentioned) and Blue Dragon is pretty impressive. Those games will sell systems, just as Metroid Prime, SM Galaxy, and SSBB will.

How about, instead of saying: "My system has great games and your system doesn't and my system will beat you all," we all admit that each system has some powerful and compelling exclusive titles for the Christmas season? I absolutely agre, Rolstoppable, that the Wii is very likely to sell the most systems this Christmas. I'd add that I'm likely to pick one up (and I haven't owned a console in almost 10 years). I'm not arguing with that. But this isn't black and white: it isn't as if Nintendo "wins" and everyone else completely "loses." Wii will probably sell best, and Xbox360 and PS3 will sell some, too, and all three systems will have great games. I know it's not as exciting when phrased that way, but it's also true.


I added GTA IV to my first post as edit.

My post wasn't meant to downplay the quality of the 360 lineup. I stated my opinion why I think that all these games are probably not the big system sellers many people hope for. The 360 will see a small boost here and there (and a some bigger ones for Halo 3, GTA IV and a pricecut), but I see those games sustain the current sales rate of the 360 and not significantly improving them.

See it this way: would another Zelda and/or another Wii sports installment on the Wii boost sales numbers? The people who wanted these kind of games already got a Wii. That's why it is important that Nintendo tries to release games that cater to different audiences. The Wii doesn't have a Metroid, Smash Bros., Mario Galaxy etc. game yet.

All these games will boost sales significant because there isn't such a game available at the moment and people are holding back. That's what I wanted to point out in my first post. You won't get new people to buy your console if you only (or for the most part) release games that are similar to the ones you already have. You will make your existing users happy, but you won't get many new ones.


 Yeah, actually, I think another Zelda would sell more consoles (if there were more consoles to sell, that is).

I think people rarely buy a system for one, specific title. Meaning, quite literally, that they would pay 460 dollars to play Bioshock (400 for the system, 60 for the game. And I chose Bioshock only as an example). Instead, people usually have 3-5 (or more) titles that sound really good to them, and buy the system to play them collectively. Rather than say: "Mass Effect will convince people to buy an Xbox360 on the its strength alone," I would say something  more like: "These people were considering buying an Xbox360, and Mass Effect put them over the edge."

I'd agree that the absolute strongest sellers are probably games that break new ground for the system in question. But games in genres already fleshed out have historically had an important impact, too, and I wouldn't understate it. 



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RolStoppable said: 

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The question then is what did the 360 have the last holiday season to give it it's spike? I mean, was it just plenty of supply, one game, and no competition?

Well, this holiday season it'll sure have plenty of supply (and maybe even a new process and/or a price drop), at least two games (one exclusive, one on a far more expensive rival), and last holiday there already was some competition - launch competition.

I'm not arguing that this Christmas will be as good as the previous one for the 360, but it has no signs of just passing by either. The holiday season always sells, for no other reason beyond it being the holiday season. Anyone expecting the 360 to be a sitting duck in the US is just delusional.

And just looking at a 360 that's not slowing down, and adding a Christmas half as good as last year's, would need the Wii to do amazingly well, almost something like DS well, to pass the 360 this year in the US.



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RolStoppable said:

Don't underestimate the Wii.

I don't. I just try not to overestimate it. That means not shooting for way more than Nintendo itself is.

RolStoppable said:

The only reason the Wii won't be able to pass the 360 in the USA this year would be short supply.

And that's precisely the one reason why I don't think it will happen. Theres just no room for that kind of growth. Nintendo's own estimates sure aren't the ceiling, but given the supply constraint they're not that far from being the ceiling.

RolStoppable said:

It's possible, I honestly expect the 360 to sell at max 2 millions for the rest of the year.

The problem with that is that the 360 sold a little over 1.7 million consoles in the last holiday season spike alone. Are you sure that with Halo, GTA, the holidays, people who were "wait and see" for the PS3, and a potential price drop, we can't see the same thing happening again this year? Cause if the 360 sells just half of what it sold the last holidays, plus an average of 40-50k a week, it will still beat your estimate.



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