Scoobes said:
Seriously? Facts, data and evidence mean nothing anymore, eh? |
Alternative facts strike again. I'm sure that Conway is smiling from above.
Scoobes said:
Seriously? Facts, data and evidence mean nothing anymore, eh? |
Alternative facts strike again. I'm sure that Conway is smiling from above.
| Wiibaron said: Canada has 10% of the population of the US. And Canada has less than 5% black or Hispanic in their population. Of course they have WAY WAY less crime. |
Regarding the first, the statement "Canada has less crime" is of course proportional.
Also, regarding race; there were an approximate 5440 cases of murder by non-hispanic whites in the US each year, for a total of 234 880 080 non-hispanic whites, or 2.31 over 100 000. (for all races, 4.4 over 100 000)
In Canada, all races included, there were 521 murders for a population of ca. 36 000 000, or 1.45 over 100 000.
This can be explained by a more extensive social program, for instance, as no matter the ethnicity, financial desperation is the strongest contributor for crime.
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Scoobes said:
This states otherwise: Context is important. |
The article also says that essentially yes they are similar.
Lawlight said:
The article also says that essentially yes they are similar. |
Hardly:
Our ruling
Trump said, "My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months."
The Obama administration in 2011 delayed processing Iraqi refugees for six months following evidence of a failed plot by two Iraqi refugees.
Trump’s executive order temporarily bars travel to the United States for all citizens from seven countries, and it is not in direct response to actions from citizens of those countries.
Furthermore, Iraqi refugees were nonetheless admitted to the United States during the 2011 suspension while Trump has put an indefinite ban on Syrian refugees.
We rate Trump’s claim Mostly False.
numberwang said:
In the US? 9/11, San Bernadino, Orlando gay club, Fort Lauderdale, etc. seem to be difficult to top by "christian terrorists". |
yeah, worldwide islamic terrorism is a bigger problem, but in the usa, most terror atacks are commited by christian fundamentalist extremists. Check the numbers
Lawlight said:
The article also says that essentially yes they are similar. |
The poison is in the quantity.
There is a difference between halting new applications of refugee status and applying a full-out ban on all nationals of the country, including people that had already obtained visas (thankfully, the whitehouse backtracked on the utterly ridiculous decision to include green-card holders).
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Faust said:
yeah, worldwide islamic terrorism is a bigger problem, but in the usa, most terror atacks are commited by christian fundamentalist extremists. Check the numbers |
In the US, regardless from where they come from, terrorism just isn't much of a problem at all.There's been 200 deaths caused by terrorism in the US since the famous september 11th attcks. In the same time frame, 300 000 homicides, and over half a million deaths from car crashes. But all the media ever reports is the terrorists, the only ones that actually WANT the attention.
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palou said:
In the US, regardless from where they come from, terrorism just isn't much of a problem at all.There's been 200 deaths caused by terrorism in the US since the famous september 11th attcks. In the same time frame, 300 000 homicides, and over half a million deaths from car crashes. But all the media ever reports is the terrorists, the only ones that actually WANT the attention. |
I completely agree with your statement, the sensationalism bias from the media is completely out of control.
| palou said: In the US, regardless from where they come from, terrorism just isn't much of a problem at all.There's been 200 deaths caused by terrorism in the US since the famous september 11th attcks. In the same time frame, 300 000 homicides, and over half a million deaths from car crashes. But all the media ever reports is the terrorists, the only ones that actually WANT the attention. |
yea, it's pathetic how all the media (no matter the religious/political affiliation) accomplished with their excessive reporting is to make terror a resounding success
> the population is scared > elects radicals/authoritarians .. and those often cut down media freedoms, so in the longer run the media cut off their own legs just for some more traffic/viewers
Mr Puggsly said:
Many terrorists (perhaps most) are fans of Sharia law. I lean right wing, I supported Trump and I'm anti illegal immigration, much the US is some of that. That's a far cry from a supporter of terrorist attacks like this. |
Nope, the majority of the country is actually somewhere in the middle. But people that are on right are poor at checking actual facts and are much more likely to follow and believe in fake news.