Killzone 2?

Vek, go sit in the corner. 

gow 4 looks good tho!!

What! I think Rayman 3 is a good game. T_T

I have to disagree Wrath of Cortex ruined the franchise, there was still fun to be had out of Wrath/Twinsanity, no where near the level of the PS1 games but still enjoyable to an extent. Crash of the Titans marked the death to me.

I Also enjoyed Need for Speed Rivals... sure it was no underground or Most Wanted (the original) but it was a good game and certainly better then the other NFS games you listed.

Also I thought Black/White was way better then Diamond/Pearl. xD

SSX: On Tour

Micromachines (ps2)

Mario Party 9

Super Paper Mario

Empire Earth 2

Fifa Street (ps3)

Raving Rabbids TV Party

Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 (If not 3, World certainly did it.)

NSMB 2 (Rinse, Recycle and repeat, DS was great, Wii added multiplayer, but by the third time they tried to milk the same concept and assets it was tiresome. Then they had the balls to do it a 4th time on WiiU.)

It's quite easy (and lazy) to dismiss an entire fanbase for being irrational and illogical. As time has passed since the announcement, release, and re-release ofDmC, you'll find that DMC fan concerns were warranted and justified, whereas there is a contingent of people who will insist on vilifying the DMC fanbase simply for fighting for something they care about. "White hair lol" wasn't a point of discussion a year after the reveal.

The most reductive and ignorant people will attribute the distaste of DmC Dante to "DMC fans hate change." As with any fanbase, there will be a subset that will despise any change to their sacred formula, but the DMC series as a whole is no stranger to change.Ironically, the hardcore DMC fanbase might be one of the most tolerant of change from game to game. The character focus has always shifted gears significantly from title to title. Every sequel featured a dramaticchange, usually in character and scope. What was not compromised, however, was the attempt to hone and deepen the gameplay with each iteration. DmC was never advertised as such. In fact, DmC was advertised as an attempt to reach a casual demographic with a gritty urban western aesthetic at the expense of certain areas of gameplay depth.

Most hardcore DMC fans played DmC. Played it to death. Played it more than most people defending it. It's why we know there were problems with the original release. It's why we had issues with 30fps, no lock on, color coded enemies, broken devil trigger, broken damage values, broken style meter, and all around poor boss design. It's also why DmCDE changed all of these things. Because Ninja Theory recognized that all those little whiny fanboys had a point, and understood how to patch some of the glaring holes in their game.

All DMC fans don't universally hate change. They hated the changes that they saw coming throughout the development process because they recognized them, and spoke out against them. And continued to attack the game after release while they experienced those issues first hand. 


But let's take a step back and look strictly at the superficial character design of DmC Dante. To argue that he was just the same as DMC Dante is either disingenuous or blind. DMC Dante was a goofball. Yes, even in DMC1. He was silly, over-the-top, slapstick, and lackadaisical. DmC Dante tries to appeal to a different kind of cool. There's no question that DmC Dante is harsher, cruder, and an anti-establishment bad boy archetype. He's not DMCDante. He may be something you prefer, but he's not the same character. You have to understand that what DmC was proposing was the complete abandonment of a character that fans had grown attached to... not the change of that character, the deletion and subsitution. And while I certainly wouldn't argue that these are objective reasons why DmC is worse than DMC, I would argue that it's a perfectly legitimate reason for someone to not spend their hard earned money on a product that doesn't appeal to them.

The fan reaction to DmC's Dante was one spawned out of fear. The classic series might not have things that you care about, but there was an existing dedicated fanbase that was threatened with the dissolution of the gameplay/story/characters that they loved... all while the series was arguably at its peak gameplaywise (saleswise definitely). And all for the sake of westernization and chasing God of War money. This has been confirmed by Itsuno in postmortem interviews - if DmC sold incredibly well, it would have been the series going forward. It seems that Capcom actually created what is essentially an irreconcilable rift in the fanbase.

It doesn't help that Ninja Theory, Capcom, and games journalists had the audacity to demonize the fanbase as a whole for actually speaking their minds and voting with their wallets. The entire tortured development process wasn't easy for Ninja Theory, but Tameem did no one any favors in how he opted to speak about the fanbase and outright ignore feedback. Thank God not everyone on the development team wasn't as blind as Tameem and certain members of Capcom. Key members and combat designer Rahni Tucker took feedback from the DMC and DmC fanbase to make DmCDE, a vastly vastly improved game all around, because they saw the legitimate concerns and criticisms from fans.

As someone who actually knows game design mechanics and does specials on my channel about it. FACT not opimion DmC is a poorly designed game. Something about every moron at IGN doesn't know. So I am done with this because I am right. Also fact is it did kill the series. Sold less than Capcom expected and killed any chance of a DmC sequel. Capcom learnede their lesson and brought back the real Dante in PXZ series.

Burnout Paradise completely ruined the Burnout franchise imo. It destroyed the Burnout DNA. And they didn't bother to make a new Burnout again.