mountaindewslave said:
the problem with the wall is it doesn't fix anything. Ignorant people genuinely believe that illegals hurt the US economy more than they help it. newflash: the amount of value that immigrants from Mexico provide by taking the low tier jobs in society that a lot of US citizens don't want is enormous.
The janitorial jobs, fast food jobs, the things that a lot of grown Americans will never want to permanently do.
The thing is that for potentially someone from Mexico, a minimum wage job (or less than minium, as often is the case with undocumented workers) in America is a LOT better than what many Mexicans can get in Mexico. The point I'm making is that the majority of illegals coming into the country are taking work that a lot of Americans wouldn't want and are HAPPY to do so.
You build a big wall and get extreme about immigration from Mexico and you'll cut out the bottom part of the US economy. Trump is ignorant about this (or just in denial), maybe because he's somewhat out of touch with the lower rings of society (which is funny because he's gotten into trouble for treating undocumented workers unfairly in the past).
Building a wall is the answer people provide who think that government welfare to illegals is one of the things killing the economy- its not. Not even close. That sort of thing is a fraction of the bill compared to what's being provided to DOCUMENTED US citizens, military costs, maintaining the nation, etc.
I can't emphasize enough how potentially cutting off the Mexican inpour to the United States will potentially damage the economy gigantically. What do you think will happen when companies can't find a kajillion of happy immigrants to fill their minimum wage positions and other born-in-America citizens don't want the jobs? wages will be forced to be raised and then the cost of goods will go up.
A wall is short sighted and just silly. The Mexican immigrants aren't hurting the country or economy at all, they're filling a section of it. I can't believe a country so built and formed around accepting other nationalities and migrants to adapt to change would be potentially so blind and close minded at this point in time.
Too many sheep just going along with Trump's whims because they feel unsatisifed in life and magically think that ANY change is better than no change (which is not at all the case)
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There are millions of unemployed American and discouraged workers (people who gave up looking for a job and are no longer counted in unemployment number) that will beg to differ. There is very little value of a mass influx of low skilled labor pouring into our country illegally for the working class citizen. It is good for large businesses because illegals are lowering the price of labor. It is how the free market work. If there is a huge influx of people willing to work for as little as possible then that drives down the price of labor.
The idea that no legal citizen wants any of the jobs illegals take is simply a myth and there are examples to disprove it. 10 years ago meat packing plants from a business called Switch and Company was raided and 260 illegal immigrants were removed for not having papers to work. According to your argument, no American citizen would want this disgusting job that only illegals want right? Well when they were no longer allowed to hire illegal immigrants they hired legal citizens, as well as legal Somalian refugees, with increased wages. Proof that illegals drive down wages on jobs that citizens want. If a job is too undesireable for the population at a certain wage then the wage will be increased in order to fill the job.
To address the claim that no one will do it long term. There is a never ending stream of young people in desperate need of work willing to take minimum wage jobs. The fact that most of them will move on up to something better paying doesn't matter. We don't need illegals to fulfill these positions as there will always be a large pool of LEGAL low skilled workers in need of work. Low skilled jobs are called that for a reason, the require very little experience and can easily replace workers. If a teen grows out of Carl's Jr job then there is another one always ready to take that position.
Estimates show that the US gov spends 10s of billions a year on illegal immigrant. Trump claimed the number $113 billion a year. Obviously they are not contributing over $10,000 a year each in taxes in order to meet replace how much they take out. According to the Fiscaltimes they only pay 11.8 Billion. Many of them do not pay taxes at all. This disparity alone can finance 5 Great Wall of Mexicos in just one year. So no, neither Government nor State is gaining anything from illegals. Also, as stated previously, we have plenti of legal citizens waiting to fulfill work (see switch and co example) so our economy isn't going to collapse on itself like Democrats like to say.
"Too many sheep just going along with Trump's whims because they feel unsatisifed in life and magically think that ANY change is better than no change"
I will like to ask this. Who are you referring to? It seems that you are referring to unsatisfied Americans who can't find a job and are blaming illegals. Are you not? If they are blaming illegals then they clearly they have felt the effect of illegal immigrants taking jobs. I mean I can't imaging any other reason for them to be upset. No legal citizen should be out of a job because an illegal citizen is occupying that job.
sources: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/04/16/Study-Finds-Illegal-Immigrants-Pay-118B-Taxes
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324251504578580041922193264
