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Nem said:

See, that conclusion makes no sense. What would you think makes a bigger profit (and take software into account)? Selling 13 million home consoles or selling 60 million portables?

What made Nitendo money this last 4 years? Home consoles or portable consoles? It makes zero sense for them to focus all their efforts on a home console.

Pokemon Go made almost $1B alone, more than the Wii U's entire hardware run, what does that tell you, mobile will bring in money that offsets any hardware issues they may have in future.

Switch is not a home console it's a new kind of platform, it's about as much a home console as the DS isn't a replacement for the GB, it's time to accept it's only going to be one hardware platform from now on working alongside mobile.



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Of Course it's not another Wii U, name is great, brand is great, concept is great, marketing will be probably good, has huge system seller game like launch title, it will have strong Nintendo games in its 1st year, it will have handhelds games like Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter, Fire Emblem...while Wii U faile on all those things.



Nem said:

I hate to burst it to you, but the switch is a home console. Nintendo themselves said so in the Fire emblem direct where they said the switch fire emblem marks the return of the series to home consoles.

Give it up, its a home console. It just has the bonus you can take it with you for a while, but it's main use is on your TV.

 

I'm pretty sure a sucessor to the 3DS will come.

We will defnatly get some revison/s of Switch, for instance I am confident we will have Switch Pocket that will be cheaper and just for handheld gaming, and that offcorse will be part of Switch family and it will play same game.

But there is no way that we will have successor to 3DS that will not be part of Switch platform, Switch platform is successor to Wii U and 3DS, whole point of Switch and hybrid is to be one unified platform and that Nintendo have just one unifed platform instead separate home console platform and separate handheld platform. Nintendo said they plning this long time but tech wasn't ready, they also said they cant support any more two completely different platforms in same time (handheld and home console platforms, and we saw they had huge problems suporting Wii U and 3DS in same time), that's why we have Switch that will be just one unified platform.



In terms of sales I think it'll do ok-to-well for Nintendo.

Not like some massive blockbuster but more along the lines of a Super NES/3DS style success (50 million-ish systems) if they really work hard at it, and they're probably going to have to because it doesn't look like developers are really all that interested in doing any heavy lifting. The market is still tough out there. 

That's good enough for a Switch 2 or whatever.



Wyrdness said:
Nem said:

No it doesn't. Do you really think they would put all their eggs on one home console when their last one flopped and while they have a portable market on the order of the 60 million?

I mean cmon... is that not a clear picture to you? Why do you think Nintendo would settle for a home console instead of a portable?

There might be merit to the sugestions that a portable switch SKU might be in the cards. Whatever it is, there will be a sucessor to the 3DS, you can be sure of that. And its not the home console, wich Nintendo says IS a home console. Why do you think they bother to make that distinction?

Btw the whole having the developers on one building just meant using similar engines and tools. It never meant only having one system.

Their eggs aren't all in one basket, they have mobile as well along side Switch, one of the reasons Xbox and PS fair a lot better is because both MS and Sony focus only on one platform. This is even more evident when Sony could cope in supporting two platforms so left PSVita to its fate, if alarge company like Sony struggle to support 2 platforms then obviously Nintendo would have problems as well even with them being more experienced as developing for portables now is equivalent to developing for a console.

Sooner or later you simply can't maintain that approach as costs and resources catch up to you, this is why they're using mobile for those low cost smaller titles, as they don't need to worry about hardware problems and can focus solely on one platform while having 2 separate sources for business.

You know, you make no sense. If Nintendo's problem is software output on it's devices, and you think Sony and MS is doing better because of their focus on just one platform, but somehow Nintendo's solution would still be two platforms? The mobile market is "free money" for Nintendo, as DeNA is the one making the games, if I'm not mistaken. I don't think Nintendo is going to drop their support on 3DS until Swicth catches up some steam, and then they let market to decide. In any case, a 3DS replacement would be Switch but portable only.



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bdbdbd said:

You know, you make no sense. If Nintendo's problem is software output on it's devices, and you think Sony and MS is doing better because of their focus on just one platform, but somehow Nintendo's solution would still be two platforms? The mobile market is "free money" for Nintendo, as DeNA is the one making the games, if I'm not mistaken. I don't think Nintendo is going to drop their support on 3DS until Swicth catches up some steam, and then they let market to decide. In any case, a 3DS replacement would be Switch but portable only.

It'll make no sense if you know nothing about the situation, Nintendo doesn't develop their mobile games DeNA and other partners do, Nintendo only need to focus on Switch so their software output increases hence why SMO, Splatoon 2, Arms, XC2 and FE are already on the horizon alongside versions of BOTW and MK8D. 3DS is going to be dropped after this year only those kidding themselves think otherwise, Switch is already a 3DS replacement.



Nem said:
zorg1000 said:

do you honestly believe Nintendo can support a console that is likely 2-3 times as powerful as Wii U alongside a traditional handheld that is somewhere in the ballpark of Vita level hardware?

That goes against everything they have been doing the last few years with merging and restructuring their divisions.

What would be the benefit of that anyway?

No it doesn't. Do you really think they would put all their eggs on one home console when their last one flopped and while they have a portable market on the order of the 60 million?

I mean cmon... is that not a clear picture to you? Why do you think Nintendo would settle for a home console instead of a portable?

There might be merit to the sugestions that a portable switch SKU might be in the cards. Whatever it is, there will be a sucessor to the 3DS, you can be sure of that. And its not the home console, wich Nintendo says IS a home console. Why do you think they bother to make that distinction?

Btw the whole having the developers on one building just meant using similar engines and tools. It never meant only having one system.

You are gobbling up PR talk, they are positioning it as a home console now because 3DS is still doing alright and has some key software releasing. Its no different than Nintendo saying DS wasnt a replacement to GBA, which was true for about 1-1.5 years as GBA was still selling and getting games. By Fall of 2018 when 3DS sales have slowed and Switch recieves a smaller, cheaper portable only model all of a sudden Switch will be the successor to 3DS & Wii U just like DS was all of a sudden a GBA successor once DS started to take off in Spring 2006 and GBA sales/software declined.

The didnt just merge their software divisions, they also merged their hardware devisions and spoke about how creating games for two distinct platforms is becoming too difficult and that they plan on having a unified platform. Thats what i mean by having seperate Wii U and 3DS successors going against everything they have been doing these last couple years.

You didnt answer my question, how does Nintendo manage to support Switch & 4DS when they struggled to support Wii U & 3DS?



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It will in no way sell less than WiiU. I'm guessing between 30m and 40m in the end, which still wouldn't be a lot if we consider that the WiiU+3DS combo did quite a bit more.



Wyrdness said:
bdbdbd said:

You know, you make no sense. If Nintendo's problem is software output on it's devices, and you think Sony and MS is doing better because of their focus on just one platform, but somehow Nintendo's solution would still be two platforms? The mobile market is "free money" for Nintendo, as DeNA is the one making the games, if I'm not mistaken. I don't think Nintendo is going to drop their support on 3DS until Swicth catches up some steam, and then they let market to decide. In any case, a 3DS replacement would be Switch but portable only.

It'll make no sense if you know nothing about the situation, Nintendo doesn't develop their mobile games DeNA and other partners do, Nintendo only need to focus on Switch so their software output increases hence why SMO, Splatoon 2, Arms, XC2 and FE are already on the horizon alongside versions of BOTW and MK8D. 3DS is going to be dropped after this year only those kidding themselves think otherwise, Switch is already a 3DS replacement.

As I said, DeNA makes the games. But by looking at SMR sales, it appears to be just an ad Nintendo makes some money with. The money coming from mobile at the moment is so little it's not even worth to bother for a company the size of Nintendo. 

No doubt Switch will eventually replace 3DS, if that's what the market want's, but we'll have to wait for the next revision for that to happen.

zorg1000 said:
Nem said:

No it doesn't. Do you really think they would put all their eggs on one home console when their last one flopped and while they have a portable market on the order of the 60 million?

I mean cmon... is that not a clear picture to you? Why do you think Nintendo would settle for a home console instead of a portable?

There might be merit to the sugestions that a portable switch SKU might be in the cards. Whatever it is, there will be a sucessor to the 3DS, you can be sure of that. And its not the home console, wich Nintendo says IS a home console. Why do you think they bother to make that distinction?

Btw the whole having the developers on one building just meant using similar engines and tools. It never meant only having one system.

You are gobbling up PR talk, they are positioning it as a home console now because 3DS is still doing alright and has some key software releasing. Its no different than Nintendo saying DS wasnt a replacement to GBA, which was true for about 1-1.5 years as GBA was still selling and getting games. By Fall of 2018 when 3DS sales have slowed and Switch recieves a smaller, cheaper portable only model all of a sudden Switch will be the successor to 3DS & Wii U just like DS was all of a sudden a GBA successor once DS started to take off in Spring 2006 and GBA sales/software declined.

The didnt just merge their software divisions, they also merged their hardware devisions and spoke about how creating games for two distinct platforms is becoming too difficult and that they plan on having a unified platform. Thats what i mean by having seperate Wii U and 3DS successors going against everything they have been doing these last couple years.

You didnt answer my question, how does Nintendo manage to support Switch & 4DS when they struggled to support Wii U & 3DS?

DS was releasead as "third pillar", I remember Iwata talking about this back then, and it was left for the market to decide if they wanted the DS or GBA. Of course, Nintendo had no intention to continue GBA once DS took off. This will happen to 3DS aswell, but the device, or form factor, that's out in March isn't the device.



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zorg1000 said:
Nem said:

No it doesn't. Do you really think they would put all their eggs on one home console when their last one flopped and while they have a portable market on the order of the 60 million?

I mean cmon... is that not a clear picture to you? Why do you think Nintendo would settle for a home console instead of a portable?

There might be merit to the sugestions that a portable switch SKU might be in the cards. Whatever it is, there will be a sucessor to the 3DS, you can be sure of that. And its not the home console, wich Nintendo says IS a home console. Why do you think they bother to make that distinction?

Btw the whole having the developers on one building just meant using similar engines and tools. It never meant only having one system.

You are gobbling up PR talk, they are positioning it as a home console now because 3DS is still doing alright and has some key software releasing. Its no different than Nintendo saying DS wasnt a replacement to GBA, which was true for about 1-1.5 years as GBA was still selling and getting games. By Fall of 2018 when 3DS sales have slowed and Switch recieves a smaller, cheaper portable only model all of a sudden Switch will be the successor to 3DS & Wii U just like DS was all of a sudden a GBA successor once DS started to take off in Spring 2006 and GBA sales/software declined.

The didnt just merge their software divisions, they also merged their hardware devisions and spoke about how creating games for two distinct platforms is becoming too difficult and that they plan on having a unified platform. Thats what i mean by having seperate Wii U and 3DS successors going against everything they have been doing these last couple years.

You didnt answer my question, how does Nintendo manage to support Switch & 4DS when they struggled to support Wii U & 3DS?

See, the part where you say "a unified platform", it's you saying. Nintendo never said such a thing. They said they wanted development to be made easier across platforms.

Btw you say i'm gobbling PR talk, but it's obvious the thing was a home console since day one. I just point out the direct because theres many here who think the Switch is the sucessor to the 3DS and i very much doubt that and if i don't show proof it devolves into a long winded refusal argument.

The switch is designed to use a TV to draw out its best performance. Games will be designed in order to take advantage of that. The option to take the gamepad is just a little bonus, but it downgrades the experience. Besides the thing lacks any quality portability. It takes alot of streching to say the switch is a portable console.

To answer tbe question, Nintendo can't support any console by themselves. They need third parties. That is what they don't have on the home console market and why the switch will likely fail, but they do on the portable market, if they come out with a sucessor to the 3DS.