160rmf said:
Oh the irony! Me love some ready-made joke posts |
You do realise saying "irony" isn't an argument?
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160rmf said:
Oh the irony! Me love some ready-made joke posts |
You do realise saying "irony" isn't an argument?
bdbdbd said:
If you've played all Mario Karts, could you just tell me how they excactly are the same? You obviously have a kart, drive on a track and there's Mario in it. But you have also to keep in mind that you yourself claim at the same time that Call of Duty have innovated/changed during the years (more than Mario Kart, as I take it) and say that same IP doesn't make it a same game. There's a lot obvious flaws with your logic, but maybe we'll get to them later. Damn. Well, 09 was already pretty late for PS2 and Madden isn't that popular around here, as people were picking up the PS2 version of the game from the bargain bin. |
Same characters, same weapons, same gameplay with very little difference - drift, collect randomised weapons, even the same CC classes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmHiQJy4oRw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amz4sLmrRdI
Call of Duty 1 to 4 and Infinite Warfare are not recognisable other than being in the same genre. Do you realise that CoD 1 had health packs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o61KuTD36y8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VTB0Sw2_nE
Yep, the Wii 3rd party support isn't as strong as is made out to be when you take a closer look at the actual games.
ps4tw said:
Okay, so how has Mario Kart changed in the last 10 years? Call of Duty changed its characters, settings, entire health system, storyline's, constantly evolving MP modes, introduced zombies with CoD: WaW etc. Compare Mario Kart 64 to the latest instalment and they are practically identical. Compare CoD 1, 4 and Infinite Warfare and apart from being FPS', they have almost nothing in common. What about this generation? The Wii U was the single worst selling console ever if you look at sales rates, and the 3DS has been their worst selling handheld (outsold by the DS, Advance, Color and Gameboy), so I'm not sure what you're getting at, unless it's "Nintendo are doing badly and clearly need to rethink their strategy". "A sizeable selection of high-quality 3rd party titles" - considering it doesn't have the essentials in there, I wouldn't consider it to be sizeable. Also, let's not digress, the Switch will not have such a selection, meaning it'll suffer from exactly the same issue as the Wii U did; appeal to Nintendo fans, a dying breed, and no one else. |
Every Mario Kart has new characters, new karts, new stages, new power ups, new mechanics.
I said they sold 80 million units of hardware and over 200 million units of 1st party software this generation, it doesnt matter if its a decline, it shows there is still a large audience for Nintendo and their games.
By that logic, GBA, DS & 3DS didnt have strong 3rd party support either.
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org1000 said:
Every Mario Kart has new characters, new karts, new stages, new power ups, new mechanics. I said they sold 80 million units of hardware and over 200 million units of 1st party software this generation, it doesnt matter if its a decline, it shows there is still a large audience for Nintendo and their games. By that logic, GBA, DS & 3DS didnt have strong 3rd party support either. |
Barely any difference apart from basic skin changes and tweaks. You can take Mario Kart on the SNES and it's instantly recongisable as being the same game Mario Kart 8 is based on. That shows absolutely zero innovation over the last 25 years.
Hahahahah, let's imagine how that board meeting would go down:
org1000: "We've had a stellar year, we've sold 80 million units of hardware!"
Nintendo shareholders: "You're down across all sales for all your hardware units"
org1000: "Yeah, but we sold stuff!"
CEO: "...you're fired"
If you think a decline across both hardware platforms for Nintendo doesn't matter, you clearly don't understand how business works. Nothing reassures stakeholders like declining sales!
ps4tw said:
You do realise saying "irony" isn't an argument? |
Oh I'm sorry. You are thinking your posts were meant to be taken seriously, I didn't realize that.
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ps4tw said:
Same characters, same weapons, same gameplay with very little difference - drift, collect randomised weapons, even the same CC classes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmHiQJy4oRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amz4sLmrRdI Call of Duty 1 to 4 and Infinite Warfare are not recognisable other than being in the same genre. Do you realise that CoD 1 had health packs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o61KuTD36y8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VTB0Sw2_nE
Yep, the Wii 3rd party support isn't as strong as is made out to be when you take a closer look at the actual games. |
Yes, I can see you haven't played Mario Kart.
I don't know if the videos were to prove your point or to prove you wrong, but the CoD videos looked you just had updated graphics and the WW2 skins switched to futuristic/modern ones.
Of course the third party support was good. How many Wii third party games have you played?
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bdbdbd said:
Yes, I can see you haven't played Mario Kart. I don't know if the videos were to prove your point or to prove you wrong, but the CoD videos looked you just had updated graphics and the WW2 skins switched to futuristic/modern ones. Of course the third party support was good. How many Wii third party games have you played? |
Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare is a huge change from Call of Duty 3 and is considered one of the most revolutionary games ever made. Also every Call of Duty game has a different campaign.
I can't say about Mario Kart because I only played three of them not for long but they did seem very similar. Call of Duty 3 and 4 play nothing like each other and the new Call of Duty games also play very differently from Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare.
bdbdbd said:
Yes, I can see you haven't played Mario Kart. I don't know if the videos were to prove your point or to prove you wrong, but the CoD videos looked you just had updated graphics and the WW2 skins switched to futuristic/modern ones. Of course the third party support was good. How many Wii third party games have you played? |
Are you kidding? The Mario kart videos have almost nothing different about them other then one has better graphics. Call of Duty isn't even recognisable as one has health kits and entirely different gameplay mechanics, storyline, weapons, characters, not to mention no online play etc, where CoD brought in kill streaks and other ground breaking MP ideas. Mario Karts hasn't done anything revolutionary since the first. Though clearly you haven't ever played CoD so you are just denying reality to suit your point of view #alternativefacts
Want to argue the point? Please tell me the major differences between the first Mario Kart and Mario Kart 8. Let's see if there's 25 years of change there ;)
| ps4tw said: Are you kidding? The Mario kart videoss have almost nothing different about them other then one has better graphics. Call of Duty isn't even recognisable as one has health kits and an entirely different gameplay mechanics, storyline, weapons, characters, not to mention no online play etc, which brings in kill streaks and other ground breaking MP ideas. Mario Karts hasn't done anything revolutionary since the first. Though clearly you haven't ever played CoD so you are just denying reality to suit your point of view #alternativefacts Want to argue the point? Please tell me the major differences between the first Mario Kart and Mario Kart 8. Let's see if there's 25 years of change there ;) |
You know, I haven't played CoD. That's why you need to explain me why what you call groundbreaking in the later games compared to older ones is so groundbreaking. For all that was shown in the video was just different skins.
But YOU said you've played Mario Kart games, so, unlike me concerning CoD, you can't be unaware of what the games are like. I take that as you're either bullshitting about playing Mario Kart games or just bullshitting about the content of the games.
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Eikä Japanisti.
Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.
Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.
ps4tw said:
Barely any difference apart from basic skin changes and tweaks. You can take Mario Kart on the SNES and it's instantly recongisable as being the same game Mario Kart 8 is based on. That shows absolutely zero innovation over the last 25 years.
Hahahahah, let's imagine how that board meeting would go down: org1000: "We've had a stellar year, we've sold 80 million units of hardware!" Nintendo shareholders: "You're down across all sales for all your hardware units" org1000: "Yeah, but we sold stuff!" CEO: "...you're fired" If you think a decline across both hardware platforms for Nintendo doesn't matter, you clearly don't understand how business works. Nothing reassures stakeholders like declining sales! |
Well yeah obviously, Mario Kart will always resemble Mario Kart regardless of how much they change it. By the way, how much has Gran Turismo changed in the last 20 years?
You are deflecting and taking what i said out of context, you said Nintendo is on the verge of death out of touch with their software, being able to sell 80 million units of hardware and being the biggest software provider in the business is a far cry from dead & out of touch regardless of having declined.
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