Does my argument make sense? | |||
| Yes | 143 | 34.88% | |
| No | 171 | 41.71% | |
| I don't care | 96 | 23.41% | |
| Total: | 410 | ||
I don't see much differences.
padib said:
Seems like you're in a mood to disagree. Good job cherry-picking the NSMB sub-series which was obviously not what I was referring to. |
Then what did you excactly mean? It was you who specifically brought up Mario and Zelda as an example, whereas 2D Mario is the posterboy of Nintendo.
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| Arminillo said: http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_games_(seventh_generation) The top selling CROSSPLATFORM titles were the following: Call of Duty 4 Grand Theft Auto IV - 13 million (February 2009)[28] Mario & Sonic at the Olympics - 10 million (March 2009)[29] (On Wii) Pro Evolution Soccer - 8.48 million (April 2009)[30] (on Wii) Star Wars The Force Unleashed - 5.7 million (February 2009)[31] (on Wii) Madden NFL 09 - 5.25m (January 2009)[32] (On Wii) FIFA 09 - 5 million (April 2009)[33] (On Wii) Need for Speed Undercover - 5 million (April 2009)[33] Fallout 3 - 4.7 million (Nov 2008)[34] Shaun White Snowboarding - 3 million (March 2009)[35] (On Wii) Soul Calibur IV - 2.32 million (May 2009)[36] Left 4 Dead - 2.5 million (March 2009)[37] Spore - 2 million (April 2009)[33] DC Comics vs Mortal Kombat - 1.8 million (January 2009)[38] Dead Space - 1.4 million (April 2009)[39] Active Life Outdoor Challenge (April 2009) - 1.03 million[36] (On Wii) Tom Clancy Hawx - 1 million shipped (March 2009)[40] We Ski - nearly 1 million (April 2009)[36] (On Wii) Ghostbusters (July 2009)[41] (On Wii) Only 6 of those games didnt appear on Wii, with 3 of them having a different game from the franchise appearing. The WII HAD GOOD THIRD PARTY SUPPORT. FULL STOP. The biggest games Wii didnt have was Grand Theft Auto IV Fallout 3 and Skyrim. |
Oh dear. So first of all, CoD 4, Hawx 2 (first wasn't on Wii), NFS: Undercover, FIFA, Madden were not like for like ports from the PS3 or Xbox 360, and in fact the EA sports line-up were ports of the PS2/Xbox versions of the game. Also, no one cares if a game from the franchise is on the Wii; that's clasping at straws. So when yo want to compare the Xbox 360's/PS3's line-up directly to the Wii, the Wii doesn't even come close in terms of ports. If you want to argue that, do you really think anyone would take the PS2 version of Madden as an acceptable like-for-like replacement for the PS3 version?
Wyrdness said:
What evidence? 3 other people have also said what I have and we have all backed it up as well it's only you yourself who has not given any evidence and thinks the world revolves around you, at this point you're only digging yourself deeper inside a hole. |
"People agree with me, therefore I can't be wrong". #alternativefacts
| zorg1000 said: This is where literally all your credibility dies, you cant say Mario Odyssey & Breath of the Wild are just prettier versions of Mario 64 & Ocarina of Time right after saying Call of Duty has changed alot. You could not be more contradictory if you tried. Did you not see the part when i said THIS GENERATION. And I know your rebuttal will be "but im talking about home consoles" in which case that would be cherry picking again. If 80% of a company's userbase comes from a certain market than you can't exclude it. That would be the equivalent of me saying the Playstation brand is dying because Vita was a failure while completely ignoring the huge success of PS4. Good 3rd party support=a sizeable selection of high quality, 3rd party titles. Wii had that. |
Okay, so how has Mario Kart changed in the last 10 years? Call of Duty changed its characters, settings, entire health system, storyline's, constantly evolving MP modes, introduced zombies with CoD: WaW etc. Compare Mario Kart 64 to the latest instalment and they are practically identical. Compare CoD 1, 4 and Infinite Warfare and apart from being FPS', they have almost nothing in common.
What about this generation? The Wii U was the single worst selling console ever if you look at sales rates, and the 3DS has been their worst selling handheld (outsold by the DS, Advance, Color and Gameboy), so I'm not sure what you're getting at, unless it's "Nintendo are doing badly and clearly need to rethink their strategy".
"A sizeable selection of high-quality 3rd party titles" - considering it doesn't have the essentials in there, I wouldn't consider it to be sizeable. Also, let's not digress, the Switch will not have such a selection, meaning it'll suffer from exactly the same issue as the Wii U did; appeal to Nintendo fans, a dying breed, and no one else.
@ps4 madeen 09 all play was the best version of 09 imo. You could draw the routes on the field.
Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda!!!!
| ps4tw said: Okay, so how has Mario Kart changed in the last 10 years? Call of Duty changed its characters, settings, entire health system, storyline's, constantly evolving MP modes, introduced zombies with CoD: WaW etc. Compare Mario Kart 64 to the latest instalment and they are practically identical. Compare CoD 1, 4 and Infinite Warfare and apart from being FPS', they have almost nothing in common. What about this generation? The Wii U was the single worst selling console ever if you look at sales rates, and the 3DS has been their worst selling handheld (outsold by the DS, Advance, Color and Gameboy), so I'm not sure what you're getting at, unless it's "Nintendo are doing badly and clearly need to rethink their strategy". "A sizeable selection of high-quality 3rd party titles" - considering it doesn't have the essentials in there, I wouldn't consider it to be sizeable. Also, let's not digress, the Switch will not have such a selection, meaning it'll suffer from exactly the same issue as the Wii U did; appeal to Nintendo fans, a dying breed, and no one else. |
This can't be serious. You obviously haven't played Mario Kart games.
Yes, Nintendo's problems with Wii U and 3DS were bad games, that can't be said about Wii and DS, that had great third party support. If your definition for gret third party support is the number of PC games ported to consoles, seventh generation was the first console generation to actually have "great third party support", because the PC ports weren't that common earlier. Besides, just because a console did not have your favourite game does not make the support bad for everyone else.
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| ps4tw said: Oh dear. So first of all, CoD 4, Hawx 2 (first wasn't on Wii), NFS: Undercover, FIFA, Madden were not like for like ports from the PS3 or Xbox 360, and in fact the EA sports line-up were ports of the PS2/Xbox versions of the game. Also, no one cares if a game from the franchise is on the Wii; that's clasping at straws. So when yo want to compare the Xbox 360's/PS3's line-up directly to the Wii, the Wii doesn't even come close in terms of ports. If you want to argue that, do you really think anyone would take the PS2 version of Madden as an acceptable like-for-like replacement for the PS3 version?
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Look, this is you grasping at straws with your argument. You're just moving the goal posts. First you go on to call a lack of certain games on a certain system, and after someone point you're wrong, all of a sudden the games don't matter and are the wrong games.
Why wouldn't anyone take Madeen on PS2 as acceptable replacement for PS3 version? That's excactly what people did.
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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.
bdbdbd said:
This can't be serious. You obviously haven't played Mario Kart games. Yes, Nintendo's problems with Wii U and 3DS were bad games, that can't be said about Wii and DS, that had great third party support. If your definition for gret third party support is the number of PC games ported to consoles, seventh generation was the first console generation to actually have "great third party support", because the PC ports weren't that common earlier. Besides, just because a console did not have your favourite game does not make the support bad for everyone else. |
I've played all of them, so please tell me just how much Mario Karts 64 is different from Mario Kart 8. I'm hoping to see 18 years of improvements and innovation...
bdbdbd said:
Look, this is you grasping at straws with your argument. You're just moving the goal posts. First you go on to call a lack of certain games on a certain system, and after someone point you're wrong, all of a sudden the games don't matter and are the wrong games. Why wouldn't anyone take Madeen on PS2 as acceptable replacement for PS3 version? That's excactly what people did. |
Clasping at straws is thinking games are the same as long as the names match! People didn't take Madden on the PS2 over the Xbox 360 or PS3, even though the former had a much larger user base:
http://n4g.com/news/199014/closer-look-at-the-madden-09-sales
Do your research before making baseless claims.
| ps4tw said:
Clasping at straws is thinking games are the same as long as the names match!
Do your research before making baseless claims. |
Oh the irony! Me love some ready-made joke posts
We reap what we sow
ps4tw said:
Clasping at straws is thinking games are the same as long as the names match! People didn't take Madden on the PS2 over the Xbox 360 or PS3, even though the former had a much larger user base: http://n4g.com/news/199014/closer-look-at-the-madden-09-sales Do your research before making baseless claims. |
If you've played all Mario Karts, could you just tell me how they excactly are the same? You obviously have a kart, drive on a track and there's Mario in it. But you have also to keep in mind that you yourself claim at the same time that Call of Duty have innovated/changed during the years (more than Mario Kart, as I take it) and say that same IP doesn't make it a same game. There's a lot obvious flaws with your logic, but maybe we'll get to them later.
Damn. Well, 09 was already pretty late for PS2 and Madden isn't that popular around here, as people were picking up the PS2 version of the game from the bargain bin.
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