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ps4tw on 29 January 2017
Wyrdness said:
ps4tw said:

 

Solid support...yet doesn't have any of the important 3rd party titles...How is that "solid"? Having a load of crap is by no way "solid support". It's not a "sad attempt", unless you are going to say that gaming hasn't changed in the last 20 years. Don't be patronising just because you're point has been proven to be awful. Games like Halo, Half-Life 2, Mass Effect and The Witcher have all shown the importance of more mature gameplay and story telling, yet Nintendo has yet to catchup to this - they still think churning out the same game after 30 years will be a success, and yet the sales show that's no longer true. 

It is a sad attempt mate the post is as damage control as one can get to the point we can't even see it as a legitimate argument but someone just throwing their ignorance around and moving goal posts. This is even further confirmed by your post here because you've been proven wrong you're now trying to set specific conditions while spouting even further ignorance, the irony is that the games you're trying to bash outsold the majority of M rated games significantly even more funny is the top selling 360 game by a mile is Kinect Adventures hardly a M rated title either and a kick in the balls for your argument that m rated is the way to go.

What are you talking about? You can't claim the Wii or Wii U has good third party support when both consoles are missing some of the largest 3rd party games - it'd like saying a house is a great house because it's got a lovely kitchen, but let's try to ignore the fact it doesn't have a roof...

But keep on ranting and screaming I'm wrong, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Let's pretend that no one likes the Witcher or Mass Effect series, and that gaming as a whole hasn't matured. Just go look at Resident Evil 1, 3, 4 and 7 to see a how games should adapt. But if you've had your head stuck in the same basic Mario or Kart game for the last 30 years, maybe you haven't spent 5 minutes looking up to see how the world around you has changed.



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ps4tw on 29 January 2017
zorg1000 said:
ps4tw said:

"With regards to trends, while Nintendo might be dipping it's toes into the waters of mobile gaming, their IPs remain largely unchanged for the last 30 years!! Gaming has dramatically changed and is considered more mature today, yet Nintendo still have a heavy focus on IPs that are considered childish."

So you're saying "good" third party support doesn't mean it has to have the important 3rd party titles?? How is that by any definition "good"??

Your arguments literally make no sense. You talk about Nintendo games not evolving but then say they need things like FIFA & Call of Duty, annual franchises with minimal changes to the gameplay, that is the definition of a contradiction.

Not only that, but its completely false. Compare Super Mario Odyssey & Breath of the Wild on Switch to Super Mario Bros & Legend of Zelda on NES. Nevermind, you're right, they remain largely unchanged.

Yeah, Nintendo has sold 80 million units of hardware and over 200 million units of 1st party software with multiple games selling over 10 million, more than a dozen over 5 million and over 50 over 1 million this generation primarily on the strength of these "childish" games. They should totally abandon that market and make a console to compete directly with PS/XB and focus on online shooters, open-world action games and annual sports sims. It totally makes sense to abandon a market you have on lockdown and get in a war of attrition fighting for a market that others have.

And yes, 100% a device can have good 3rd party support despite not having the big games on other platforms.

How has Mario Karts changed in the last 30 years? Or Mario? Whether you like it or not, Call of Duty has changed a lot since the original game, and Fifa has evolved as well. Also, you can't say that because one game hasn't changed much, it's not important - that's just hilariously naive of the market. 

Super Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild are somehow new and fresh? You mean Super Mario 64 and OoT, with slighly better graphics...If you want to see some actual change, go compare RE 1, 4 and 7. Not only are the mechanics different, but the way the story is told has completely changed. Nintendo just release the same games with the same characters and barely more than a new splash of paint, hence why it's struggling to draw in new customers because people just don't care about those franchises like they once did. 

Spout off whatever facts you want about Nintendo's previous performance, but you missed out that the Wii U was the worst performing console ever in terms of sales over time, and that's when the gaming market is the largest it's ever been. But y'know what, harping on about past glories will surely undo all of that. That sort of thinking is exactly why Nintendo is dying, and you can't argue that it isn't considering in the last few years it's started to post it's first ever quartely losses. 

So define "good" 3rd party support if you think it doesn't mean the console has to have the most popular 3rd party titles...Are you going to sit there and argue shovelware can be considered "good"? Can't wait to read this response....



zorg1000 on 29 January 2017
ps4tw said:
Wyrdness said:

It is a sad attempt mate the post is as damage control as one can get to the point we can't even see it as a legitimate argument but someone just throwing their ignorance around and moving goal posts. This is even further confirmed by your post here because you've been proven wrong you're now trying to set specific conditions while spouting even further ignorance, the irony is that the games you're trying to bash outsold the majority of M rated games significantly even more funny is the top selling 360 game by a mile is Kinect Adventures hardly a M rated title either and a kick in the balls for your argument that m rated is the way to go.

What are you talking about? You can't claim the Wii or Wii U has good third party support when both consoles are missing some of the largest 3rd party games - it'd like saying a house is a great house because it's got a lovely kitchen, but let's try to ignore the fact it doesn't have a roof...

But keep on ranting and screaming I'm wrong, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Let's pretend that no one likes the Witcher or Mass Effect series, and that gaming as a whole hasn't matured. Just go look at Resident Evil 1, 3, 4 and 7 to see a how games should adapt. But if you've had your head stuck in the same basic Mario or Kart game for the last 30 years, maybe you haven't spent 5 minutes looking up to see how the world around you has changed.

how ironic



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Arminillo on 29 January 2017

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_games_(seventh_generation)

The top selling CROSSPLATFORM titles were the following:
Call of Duty 4 (on Wii)
Grand Theft Auto IV - 13 million (February 2009)[28]
Mario & Sonic at the Olympics - 10 million (March 2009)[29] (On Wii)
Pro Evolution Soccer - 8.48 million (April 2009)[30] (on Wii)
Star Wars The Force Unleashed - 5.7 million (February 2009)[31] (on Wii)
Madden NFL 09 - 5.25m (January 2009)[32] (On Wii)
FIFA 09 - 5 million (April 2009)[33] (On Wii)
Need for Speed Undercover - 5 million (April 2009)[33] (On Wii)
Fallout 3 - 4.7 million (Nov 2008)[34]
Shaun White Snowboarding - 3 million (March 2009)[35] (On Wii)
Soul Calibur IV - 2.32 million (May 2009)[36] (Wii had a title from this franchise)
Left 4 Dead - 2.5 million (March 2009)[37]
Spore - 2 million (April 2009)[33] (Wii had a title from this franchise)
DC Comics vs Mortal Kombat - 1.8 million (January 2009)[38]
Dead Space - 1.4 million (April 2009)[39] (Wii had a title from this franchise)
Active Life Outdoor Challenge (April 2009) - 1.03 million[36] (On Wii)
Tom Clancy Hawx - 1 million shipped (March 2009)[40] (On Wii)
We Ski - nearly 1 million (April 2009)[36] (On Wii)
Ghostbusters (July 2009)[41] (On Wii)

Only 6 of those games didnt appear on Wii, with 3 of them having a different game from the franchise appearing.
The WII HAD GOOD THIRD PARTY SUPPORT. FULL STOP.

The biggest games Wii didnt have was Grand Theft Auto IV Fallout 3 and Skyrim.



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Wyrdness on 29 January 2017
ps4tw said:

What are you talking about? You can't claim the Wii or Wii U has good third party support when both consoles are missing some of the largest 3rd party games - it'd like saying a house is a great house because it's got a lovely kitchen, but let's try to ignore the fact it doesn't have a roof...

But keep on ranting and screaming I'm wrong, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Let's pretend that no one likes the Witcher or Mass Effect series, and that gaming as a whole hasn't matured. Just go look at Resident Evil 1, 3, 4 and 7 to see a how games should adapt. But if you've had your head stuck in the same basic Mario or Kart game for the last 30 years, maybe you haven't spent 5 minutes looking up to see how the world around you has changed.

What evidence? 3 other people have also said what I have and we have all backed it up as well it's only you yourself who has not given any evidence and thinks the world revolves around you, at this point you're only digging yourself deeper inside a hole.



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zorg1000 on 29 January 2017
ps4tw said:
zorg1000 said:

Your arguments literally make no sense. You talk about Nintendo games not evolving but then say they need things like FIFA & Call of Duty, annual franchises with minimal changes to the gameplay, that is the definition of a contradiction.

Not only that, but its completely false. Compare Super Mario Odyssey & Breath of the Wild on Switch to Super Mario Bros & Legend of Zelda on NES. Nevermind, you're right, they remain largely unchanged.

Yeah, Nintendo has sold 80 million units of hardware and over 200 million units of 1st party software with multiple games selling over 10 million, more than a dozen over 5 million and over 50 over 1 million this generation primarily on the strength of these "childish" games. They should totally abandon that market and make a console to compete directly with PS/XB and focus on online shooters, open-world action games and annual sports sims. It totally makes sense to abandon a market you have on lockdown and get in a war of attrition fighting for a market that others have.

And yes, 100% a device can have good 3rd party support despite not having the big games on other platforms.

How has Mario Karts changed in the last 30 years? Or Mario? Whether you like it or not, Call of Duty has changed a lot since the original game, and Fifa has evolved as well. Also, you can't say that because one game hasn't changed much, it's not important - that's just hilariously naive of the market. 

Super Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild are somehow new and fresh? You mean Super Mario 64 and OoT, with slighly better graphics...If you want to see some actual change, go compare RE 1, 4 and 7. Not only are the mechanics different, but the way the story is told has completely changed. Nintendo just release the same games with the same characters and barely more than a new splash of paint, hence why it's struggling to draw in new customers because people just don't care about those franchises like they once did. 

Spout off whatever facts you want about Nintendo's previous performance, but you missed out that the Wii U was the worst performing console ever in terms of sales over time, and that's when the gaming market is the largest it's ever been. But y'know what, harping on about past glories will surely undo all of that. That sort of thinking is exactly why Nintendo is dying, and you can't argue that it isn't considering in the last few years it's started to post it's first ever quartely losses. 

So define "good" 3rd party support if you think it doesn't mean the console has to have the most popular 3rd party titles...Are you going to sit there and argue shovelware can be considered "good"? Can't wait to read this response....

This is where literally all your credibility dies, you cant say Mario Odyssey & Breath of the Wild are just prettier versions of Mario 64 & Ocarina of Time right after saying Call of Duty has changed alot. You could not be more contradictory if you tried.

Did you not see the part when i said THIS GENERATION. And I know your rebuttal will be "but im talking about home consoles" in which case that would be cherry picking again. If 80% of a company's userbase comes from a certain market than you can't exclude it. That would be the equivalent of me saying the Playstation brand is dying because Vita was a failure while completely ignoring the huge success of PS4.

Good 3rd party support=a sizeable selection of high quality, 3rd party titles. Wii had that.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 on 29 January 2017
Arminillo said:
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_games_(seventh_generation)

The top selling CROSSPLATFORM titles were the following:
Call of Duty 4 (on Wii)
Grand Theft Auto IV - 13 million (February 2009)[28]
Mario & Sonic at the Olympics - 10 million (March 2009)[29] (On Wii)
Pro Evolution Soccer - 8.48 million (April 2009)[30] (on Wii)
Star Wars The Force Unleashed - 5.7 million (February 2009)[31] (on Wii)
Madden NFL 09 - 5.25m (January 2009)[32] (On Wii)
FIFA 09 - 5 million (April 2009)[33] (On Wii)
Need for Speed Undercover - 5 million (April 2009)[33] (On Wii)
Fallout 3 - 4.7 million (Nov 2008)[34]
Shaun White Snowboarding - 3 million (March 2009)[35] (On Wii)
Soul Calibur IV - 2.32 million (May 2009)[36] (Wii had a title from this franchise)
Left 4 Dead - 2.5 million (March 2009)[37]
Spore - 2 million (April 2009)[33] (Wii had a title from this franchise)
DC Comics vs Mortal Kombat - 1.8 million (January 2009)[38]
Dead Space - 1.4 million (April 2009)[39] (Wii had a title from this franchise)
Active Life Outdoor Challenge (April 2009) - 1.03 million[36] (On Wii)
Tom Clancy Hawx - 1 million shipped (March 2009)[40] (On Wii)
We Ski - nearly 1 million (April 2009)[36] (On Wii)
Ghostbusters (July 2009)[41] (On Wii)

Only 6 of those games didnt appear on Wii, with 3 of them having a different game from the franchise appearing.
The WII HAD GOOD THIRD PARTY SUPPORT. FULL STOP.

The biggest games Wii didnt have was Grand Theft Auto IV Fallout 3 and Skyrim.

That list is extremely outdated, it literally is missing most of the big games of last generation.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Kristof81 on 29 January 2017

Let's face it. As long as latest FPS and sports games are present on the Switch, this system will sell. If you add some othe blockbusters like Fallout or GTA to the mix, it's pretty much guaranteed. They'll have one system to please all sorts of customers. From fanboys, through casuals to hardcore-ish(?) gamers. There's no denying that being able to play your favourite games on the go is really appealing for most of people.

Also, Nintendo might have another good argument to keep 3rd party support. They can treat the system as the bridge between current gen games and potential future mobile development. As Switch is ARM based, once game's developed, it can stay there and be easily ported to any future, powerful enough, mobile device. And we all know that those games, in one form or another, eventually will get released on the mobile market as publishers simply follow the money (GTA series for example).



Trunkin on 30 January 2017
bdbdbd said:
Trunkin said:

My theory is that Nintendo is holding off on introducing the Switch as a 3DS successor until they can implement a die shrink to improve battery life in portable mode, and get the price down to something mobile gamers would be able to accept. 3DS sales are strong for the time being, so they're going to ride that horse for as long as it will carry them. In the mean time, Switch will be marketed as the "Home Console" that you can take with you anywhere. I don't expect it to stay this way, though. There's just no point in them releasing a Hybrid system if they plan to continue making dedicated handheld systems. I also feel that the limited software lineup and low early shipments are evidence of this March release being a bit of a soft launch for what will eventually grow to be Nintendo's sole gaming platform.

 

Actually the hybrid system makes perfect sense as home console. That's because it's a clever way to have the device in people's hands. Wii got popular because of people visiting people who had the system, same did the NES. Switch you can take with you and play with a friend or two on the go, and they get a hold of the system. Also the off-TV was a great feature Wii U. Switch looks more like a reaction to trends you see kids doing these days.

Just going by my experience talking with people, most console gamers have no interest in playing a game in the palms of their hands. I didn't think of the sharing angle, though. Pretty smart. If the experience is fun enough I could see that moving some additional units. At least once the price comes down a bit.



bdbdbd on 30 January 2017
Trunkin said:
bdbdbd said:

Actually the hybrid system makes perfect sense as home console. That's because it's a clever way to have the device in people's hands. Wii got popular because of people visiting people who had the system, same did the NES. Switch you can take with you and play with a friend or two on the go, and they get a hold of the system. Also the off-TV was a great feature Wii U. Switch looks more like a reaction to trends you see kids doing these days.

Just going by my experience talking with people, most console gamers have no interest in playing a game in the palms of their hands. I didn't think of the sharing angle, though. Pretty smart. If the experience is fun enough I could see that moving some additional units. At least once the price comes down a bit.

One reason why also the DS had so good SW sales was because of the download play, so other DS owners had the game in their hands when playing multiplayer. 

It is easier to pick up and play, besides the solution is great for the families. And some youger people moved on their own, do not even have a TV, they just watch IPTV on tablets.



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