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Nintendo should have made 2 different Switch consoles (one portable and one home console) with lower prices instead of one higher price console.
I have little interest in the portable side of the Switch (and i'm sure there are others) whom have little reason to pay extra for for those features.
I'm sure if Nintendo wanted they could release a home console Switch for $200 US or under and that's with a 500 Gb HDD.



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zorg1000 said:

3DS hardware and software sales went up as a direct result of Pokemon Go so there is more to take into account than just the amount Nintendo made from PGO itself.

Yes, of course. But the issue here is, that I strongly disagree Wyrdness about mobile being a staple, similar to 3DS, for Nintendo. Mobile looks more like a way to have Nintendo's IP's into peoples hands to sell more games, not that different than the amusement parks and cartoons that advertise Nintendo at the same time they're bringing in money. 

Wyrdness said:

The lack of a need to push and maintain an additional hardware platform saves resources and frees up not only their core teams but their schedule for developing games, it's not a hard concept to grasp, Nintendo don't have to push mobile they've only embraced it to help themselves.

Are you naive enough to think Nintendo hasn't already done that? Mobile has been planned since the NX announcment 3 years back, you're not posting anything that they haven't done already.

You can use what ever term to try and argue but the point is rock solid and can't be dismissed, why? Because the percentage from $1b or so is higher than the budgets of the majority of big games from major publishers, even only 10% of that is 100m so that pocket change is still bigger than most publishers budgets. Zorg also highlighted other factors as well.

Yes, that's what they've been doing with mobile, but it's not a staple the same way as 3DS. Or to put the other way, it's not their another platform. To free up resources to put out more games just doesn't work if all you do is put the resources elsewhere. Unlike mobile, 3DS can generate money with 3rd party sales.

100M isn't really that much when you think of Nintendo's revenue. Of course it's "something", but I think Nintendo is aiming higher. If Pokemon Go was performing above expectations, Super Mario Run is underperforming hugely.



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bdbdbd said:
zorg1000 said:

3DS hardware and software sales went up as a direct result of Pokemon Go so there is more to take into account than just the amount Nintendo made from PGO itself.

Yes, of course. But the issue here is, that I strongly disagree Wyrdness about mobile being a staple, similar to 3DS, for Nintendo. Mobile looks more like a way to have Nintendo's IP's into peoples hands to sell more games, not that different than the amusement parks and cartoons that advertise Nintendo at the same time they're bringing in money. 

Wyrdness said:

The lack of a need to push and maintain an additional hardware platform saves resources and frees up not only their core teams but their schedule for developing games, it's not a hard concept to grasp, Nintendo don't have to push mobile they've only embraced it to help themselves.

Are you naive enough to think Nintendo hasn't already done that? Mobile has been planned since the NX announcment 3 years back, you're not posting anything that they haven't done already.

You can use what ever term to try and argue but the point is rock solid and can't be dismissed, why? Because the percentage from $1b or so is higher than the budgets of the majority of big games from major publishers, even only 10% of that is 100m so that pocket change is still bigger than most publishers budgets. Zorg also highlighted other factors as well.

Yes, that's what they've been doing with mobile, but it's not a staple the same way as 3DS. Or to put the other way, it's not their another platform. To free up resources to put out more games just doesn't work if all you do is put the resources elsewhere. Unlike mobile, 3DS can generate money with 3rd party sales.

100M isn't really that much when you think of Nintendo's revenue. Of course it's "something", but I think Nintendo is aiming higher. If Pokemon Go was performing above expectations, Super Mario Run is underperforming hugely.

ok i get what you're saying and agree



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Werix357 said:
Nintendo should have made 2 different Switch consoles (one portable and one home console) with lower prices instead of one higher price console.
I have little interest in the portable side of the Switch (and i'm sure there are others) whom have little reason to pay extra for for those features.
I'm sure if Nintendo wanted they could release a home console Switch for $200 US or under and that's with a 500 Gb HDD.

i think that is something they will do eventually.

a portable only device that is smaller, cheaper and has a better battery

a console only device with more storage and a pro controller

each sold for $200 would be a good option and think we could see them by late 2018 or 2019.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
Werix357 said:
Nintendo should have made 2 different Switch consoles (one portable and one home console) with lower prices instead of one higher price console.
I have little interest in the portable side of the Switch (and i'm sure there are others) whom have little reason to pay extra for for those features.
I'm sure if Nintendo wanted they could release a home console Switch for $200 US or under and that's with a 500 Gb HDD.

i think that is something they will do eventually.

a portable only device that is smaller, cheaper and has a better battery

a console only device with more storage and a pro controller

each sold for $200 would be a good option and think we could see them by late 2018 or 2019.

Yeah I hope that will be the case, but will probably only happen if the Switch sells below Nintendo's expectations.

I do think Nintendo will release a dedicated handheld version regardless though.



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Werix357 said:
zorg1000 said:

i think that is something they will do eventually.

a portable only device that is smaller, cheaper and has a better battery

a console only device with more storage and a pro controller

each sold for $200 would be a good option and think we could see them by late 2018 or 2019.

Yeah I hope that will be the case, but will probably only happen if the Switch sells below Nintendo's expectations.

I do think Nintendo will release a dedicated handheld version regardless though.

i dont think it needs to sell under expectations for them to do it, Nintendo is known for releasing many revisions over a systems life.



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bdbdbd said:

Yes, of course. But the issue here is, that I strongly disagree Wyrdness about mobile being a staple, similar to 3DS, for Nintendo. Mobile looks more like a way to have Nintendo's IP's into peoples hands to sell more games, not that different than the amusement parks and cartoons that advertise Nintendo at the same time they're bringing in money. 

Yes, that's what they've been doing with mobile, but it's not a staple the same way as 3DS. Or to put the other way, it's not their another platform. To free up resources to put out more games just doesn't work if all you do is put the resources elsewhere. Unlike mobile, 3DS can generate money with 3rd party sales.

100M isn't really that much when you think of Nintendo's revenue. Of course it's "something", but I think Nintendo is aiming higher. If Pokemon Go was performing above expectations, Super Mario Run is underperforming hugely.

Using mobile to get IPs in peoples hands makes it a staple because one not only is it marketing IPs but it's raking in profit, that makes it a staple in their plans more so than 3DS.

You really don't understand the post do you it's not their platform in the same way as the 3DS it's a complimentary vehicle to run alongside one unified platform, the fact that it's not a hardware platform they have to worry about and only a software one frees up a large number of costs and resources by default. 3DS and Wii U leeched off each other because handheld and console development in today's era is practically the same, eventually development will be identical in future, mobile development is still in the days of the GB era with small teams, cheap costs and low resources required, it allows Nintendo to profit while getting IPs in peoples hands with out the resource drain on their main platform. Teams of a few people can put out a game, what you're arguing doesn't even match the context of the situation.

GTAV's budget was something like 200m so they made half of that in 6 months if the percentage return was low, if a cheap mobile game can make returns of that scale it makes it a significant factor regardless of revenue because end of the day 100m and above is more than what many companies in any industry return in a year let alone a quarter.



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zorg1000 said:
Werix357 said:
Nintendo should have made 2 different Switch consoles (one portable and one home console) with lower prices instead of one higher price console.
I have little interest in the portable side of the Switch (and i'm sure there are others) whom have little reason to pay extra for for those features.
I'm sure if Nintendo wanted they could release a home console Switch for $200 US or under and that's with a 500 Gb HDD.

i think that is something they will do eventually.

a portable only device that is smaller, cheaper and has a better battery

a console only device with more storage and a pro controller

each sold for $200 would be a good option and think we could see them by late 2018 or 2019.

I really hope they do this, as long as the library remains unified across all versions. I'd buy a cheaper non-portable Switch if it got all the same games as the portable version.



curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

i think that is something they will do eventually.

a portable only device that is smaller, cheaper and has a better battery

a console only device with more storage and a pro controller

each sold for $200 would be a good option and think we could see them by late 2018 or 2019.

I really hope they do this, as long as the library remains unified across all versions. I'd buy a cheaper non-portable Switch if it got all the same games as the portable version.

ya unified platform is a must, although there would likely be a few exceptions like Just Dance or 1-2 Switch, I dont see how those games would work on a portable only device.



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