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fordy said:
KLXVER said:

Im not saying they should expect another Wii hit, but I dont want them to give up after one failed console.

If you like a franchise, then you have to buy the console its on. If you dont want to buy the console, then its obvious that you dont really mind not playing the game. Thats just how it works. I would love to play a few Vita titles, but I dont think the system is worth it for me, so I must either live without them or buy the Vita later or used for cheap. Im fine with that.

That's how it works, but it really doesn't have to. Nintendo are losing potential software sales because of it. It would only be smart if Nintendo had a good handful of 3rd parties in their pocket like the early days, but that's no longer the case.

Every console maker is losing out on money from their games not being on other systems. I would love to have one console for all my gaming needs, but that probably wont happen anytime soon.



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Ck1x said:
Dr.Vita said:
Nintendo's console time has come to an end. Third-party would be the best thing for Nintendo now.
Pokemon Go and Super Mario Run were the first steps for this.

Let's get one thing straight mobile is not remotely the same as putting games on consoles! If everything sold so well on PS4 and XbOne studio's wouldn't keep getting shut down or games cancelled. These guys keep making these big block buster movie games that need to sell 10 million copies and only get so many hours of gameplay out of them. How do people feel that this is the future of gaming?

Nintendo don't need to follow that path. Sticking to their software plans would be more than enough.



mountaindewslave said:
bdbdbd said:

At least it's not worse than that. I don't think it's a natural evolution, to me it looks like Nintendo doing a 180 and letting the customer to decide on something for a change. This, however, may just be an illusion caused by marketing, as with the multiple control methods Switch theoretically offers, can still be forced on you. I'd be excited for example if I finally could play Splatoon with a pointer device, like the Wii Remote or the Joycon camera. On the downside, they're porting Mario Kart 8, which is a game that illustrates Nintendo's problems perfectly.

what's your implication about Mario Kart 8? the only problem I have with the Mario Kart 8 port is I think they would have been much better off releasing an entire new chapter in the series, the concept of them porting Wii U titles over to the Switch potentially in abundance concerns me. I would have thought they would have been far along on a new Mario Kart a this point for the Switch (it's been a few years since 8 launched right?)

Firstly, my logic is that the games that did not sell the Wii U, aren't going to sell Switch either. I could have imagined Nintendo releasing Mario Kart 9 and port 8 later.

Content is one of the problems: Mario Kart 8 have a few non-Mario characters, and Deluxe even had the squid kids on top of everything else. I don't consoder Mario Kart as an "all stars" game.

Hovering and driving underwater: obvious gimmick to "surprise" the player. They go on to change how you handle the vehicle in the middle of the game, basically shoving the gimmick up your ass without giving you the option to drive the way you want to. If it was different routes in question, normal and alternative, this could even be fun. But no.

Online: so far we know nothing about it on deluxe, but not being able to choose your favourite tracks suck. You have only three tracks to vote from at a time.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

KLXVER said:
fordy said:

That's how it works, but it really doesn't have to. Nintendo are losing potential software sales because of it. It would only be smart if Nintendo had a good handful of 3rd parties in their pocket like the early days, but that's no longer the case.

Every console maker is losing out on money from their games not being on other systems. I would love to have one console for all my gaming needs, but that probably wont happen anytime soon.

Nintendo the most, since they have the smallest userbase in the console hardware market. The only way it would work, as I said, is if Nintendo had a good share of 3rd party support.



fordy said:
KLXVER said:

Every console maker is losing out on money from their games not being on other systems. I would love to have one console for all my gaming needs, but that probably wont happen anytime soon.

Nintendo the most, since they have the smallest userbase in the console hardware market. The only way it would work, as I said, is if Nintendo had a good share of 3rd party support.

Well lets see how the Switch does. If its another WiiU, then Ill be on your side of things.



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Kerotan said:
I'm sorry to hear that but I have to agree.

It would be better for their fans, the market and Nintendo's profits.

What?

 

Think before saying something when it comes to business, something that you may not have knowledge... That would be a suicide!

No one gurantees that Nintendo software would sell as much as  is needed to match the profits of Nintendo as a hardware maker!

Would nintendo care to make as many games for other platforms, as they create for their own products?

Only Third party would be a could move as a last resort,  i.e in case that Nintendo burns their huge reserves that they have in the banks by having constant financial flops... Nintendo lost money first time with 3DS in 2011, because of the urgent excessive price drop which skyrocketed the sales but 3D effect royalties cost them, then the hardware became profitable with 3DS XL launching at 199$ in 2012! After that they lost money in 2012 and 2013 owing to wii u tablet controller cost+combined with low sales, not amortizing the expenses for research and distirbution... They haven't lose money any other time in their long history and  these  losses were insignificant! They will sell switch on profit from the beginning, they want their core business to return to financial state of 6th gen when with the 104m ( gc+gba ) piece of hardware sold, they earned more than their closest competitor which had way higher hardware and software sales, that thanks to first party software sales.

Anyway, it's better to sell your software in other hardware than yours? it's better to share the money with the manufacturer of hardware, than to get full money by selling your software on your own hardware? ( excluding stores allotment)

Also, is it better to be deprieved of the money from the accessories you sell for your own console?

hahah

Nintendo was 4th in money making of software developers  in 2016,  in their worst market, the, uk, that with few releases and the durability of the older titles, with aging products ( okay there were pokemon ) , if you add the gains from hardware, you probably get Nintendo above ubisoft and activizion, perhaps ea too...

In an nutshell, becoming only third party would be an economic matter, not a sales one! Nintendo  lost just 200m with wii u, they have 5b cash and so many other assets liquid or not... 

P.s

 keep dreaming of a Nintendo third party guys... Now that they expanded successfully to mobile, and we wait for movies and theme parks venture... Forget it! Buy their non traditional games on smartphones...



fordy said:
asqarkabab said:

Yeah i agree that nintendos warchest is unlimited

Good. Your argument is quashed.

Lol 

You quashed my argument dont think so 



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fordy said:
KLXVER said:

Im not saying they should expect another Wii hit, but I dont want them to give up after one failed console.

If you like a franchise, then you have to buy the console its on. If you dont want to buy the console, then its obvious that you dont really mind not playing the game. Thats just how it works. I would love to play a few Vita titles, but I dont think the system is worth it for me, so I must either live without them or buy the Vita later or used for cheap. Im fine with that.

That's how it works, but it really doesn't have to. Nintendo are losing potential software sales because of it. It would only be smart if Nintendo had a good handful of 3rd parties in their pocket like the early days, but that's no longer the case.

Not really. What Nintendo would lose as a 3rd party, is money made of hardware and accessory sales. They'd also lose royalties coming from third party game sales on Nintendo hardware, and also profit made from their own software would be smaller because of Nintendo would need to pay royalties for every game thay'd sell on other platforms.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

tak13 said:
Kerotan said:
I'm sorry to hear that but I have to agree.

It would be better for their fans, the market and Nintendo's profits.

What?

 

Think before saying something when it comes to business, something that you may not have knowledge... That would be a suicide!

No one gurantees that Nintendo software would sell as much as  is needed to match the profits of Nintendo as a hardware maker!

Only Third party would be a could move as a last resort,  i.e in case that Nintendo burns their huge reserves that they have in the banks by having constant financial flops... Nintendo lost money first time with 3DS in 2011, becuase of the urgent excessive price drop which skyrocketed the sales but 3D effect royalties cost them, then the hardware became profitable with 3DS XL launching at 199$ in 2012! After that they lost money in 2012 and 2013 owing to wii u tablet controller cost+combined with low sales, not amortizing the expenses for research and distirbution... They haven't lose money any other time in their long history and  these  losses were insignificant! They will sell switch on profit from the beginning, they want their core business to return to financial state of 6th gen when with the 104m ( gc+gba ) piece of hardware sold, they earned more than their closest competitor which had fairly higher hardware and software sales, that thanks to first party software sales.

Anyway, it's better to sell your software in other hardware than yours? it's better to share the money with the manufacturer of hardware, than to get full money by selling your software on your own hardware? ( excluding stores allotment)

Also, is it better to be deprieved of the money from the accessories you sell for your own console? Would nintendo care to make as many game for other platforms, as they create for their own products?

hahah

Nintendo was 4th in money making of software developers  in 2016,  in their worst market, the, uk, that with few releases and the durability of the older titles, with aging products ( okay there were pokemon ) , if you add the gains from hardware, you probably get Nintendo above ubisoft and activizion, perhaps ea too...

In an nutshell, becoming only third party would be an economic matter, not a sales one! Nintendo  lost just 200m with wii u, they have 5b cash and so many other assets liquid or not... 

P.s

 keep dreaming of a Nintendo third party guys... Now that they expanded successfully to mobile, and we wait for movies and theme parks venture... Forget it! Buy their non traditional games on smartphones...

Nobody guarantees anything. Not even Nintendo guarantees the Switch will sell well, or have at least 5 years of support. The best we can use to measure probability is statistics.

I've already posted several times that, statistically, selling twice as much software on a platform with 5 times the userbase is not such an unrealistic idea, and that a doubling of Nintendo's software sales would cover any costs from hardware or licensing.

If Nintendo do what you say, and only move 3rd party once the assets have dried up, then they will have made the same mistakes that Sega did. Good luck keeping Nintendo development talent on board with a bankrupt company looking to make a few quick gains. This would damage Nintendo's reputation immeasurably.



bdbdbd said:
fordy said:

That's how it works, but it really doesn't have to. Nintendo are losing potential software sales because of it. It would only be smart if Nintendo had a good handful of 3rd parties in their pocket like the early days, but that's no longer the case.

Not really. What Nintendo would lose as a 3rd party, is money made of hardware and accessory sales. They'd also lose royalties coming from third party game sales on Nintendo hardware, and also profit made from their own software would be smaller because of Nintendo would need to pay royalties for every game thay'd sell on other platforms.

Okay, I need to mention this a 6th time, but I have already addressed this argument using statistics. Yes, that includes hardware costs, and licensing costs (royalties are for copyrights).