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sethnintendo said:
DanneSandin said:

II'll try to see them as individual controllers instead of only half a controller - for my own happiness sake.

I won't.  I see them as half controllers compared to wiimote + nunchuck setup.  No fucking way I'm going to play with just one of those.

I can actually see me and my wife having a lot of fun together on flights and stuff like that, playing certain games with each other. Rayman Legends, Mario Kart, the next 2D Mario would all be awesome to play together on the go



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RolStoppable said:
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You don't only get indie games, I know that you got God of War 3 or something like that, at some point. But still, you get two games and you get to keep them for a long time. With Nintendo, you have one month to beat the game to your hearts content, then it's gone. You probably have to buy it if you wanna continue playing it. And then you have to buy it again when Nintendo launches their next system. One thing that is cool though, is that you'll get online functions with the SNES games (not so for the NES games thought).

Yes, occasionally you get a retail game with PS+, but for the most part it's indie games you may have never even heard of or never had any interest in.

If you really want games, you should buy them anyway. Renting games is always going to be renting games, and paying for something basic as online multiplayer is going to suck regardless of the benefits that are thrown in. If the benefits were truly great, then such an online service would be viable without locking online multiplayer away.

I agree; paying for online sucks - regardless of who is offering the service. I'm pretty sure, though, that a lot of people will end up getting old games they've never heard of with the Switch. Imagine a 20 year old paying for online, and all he gets is some old shitty games. To him they'll be old, they'll look and sound old, he's never heard of any of those games. "Balloon fight? Wtf!? Super Mario 2? Wtf, this doesn't look like NSMBU - at all." He probably won't be all that excited for these old games, just like people might not be interested in some crappy indie games. And from his POV, these old games will be missing features he's used to have.

fact still remains, for now, Sony and MS is offering a better online service from what we can piece together about Nintendo's offerings. What Nintendo could, and should do, is offering a sort of Netflix-kind of service with their online service; pay $60 a year and get access to 100's of old games (S/NES era) as long as you pay for the service. That way, they'll get people who doesn't even play online to subscribe to this service.

DanneSandin said:

I agree with the first paragraph, and I'll reiterate what I said before; it's not the price of the actual console that bothers me, it's that everything else is so overpriced.

But MS and Sony still isn't overpricing their products as much as Nintendo is. I can agree that ALL of these accessorories probably is a little overpriced, but Nintendo is the worst offender in this case. And my points of the paid online still stands.

But you can't play all local co-op games that way (at least I don't think you can). I'm not even sure you can play 4 players on the same Switch? That argument only applies to certain games; what about the games when you need two analouge sticks to play? Then we're right back at the start of the argument. But you did bring up a good point there, I gotta admit. I'll try to see them as individual controllers instead of only half a controller - for my own happiness sake. But your last argument doesn't really hold up; that's NOT the equivalents of buying a second PS/XB, since in that case you could have two people playing two different kind of games, at the same time. That's just not the same thing as having two docking station, since it's still only you who can play games, and not someone else as well. Thinking like that, I have to pay $530 for that specific set up AND a game. Adding $70 I could get TWO PS4's with TWO games. I just don't think these accessories justify their high price.

Sony launched a VR headset for $400 which, going by general consensus, doesn't have a single must-play game yet. That's the textbook example for an overpriced gaming item. Microsoft's Kinect (both versions) doesn't fare much better.

Agreed. I think that VR will take a long time to really take off. But both of those accessories are secondery experiences, you buy VR or Kinect to experience something new, something different - it's not like buying a second controller to experience your main experience. Wow, much great wording. Such synonyms.

You are correct that not all multiplayer games can be played with a single Joy-con, but for most of Nintendo's staples it holds true. Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros., Mario Party, Mario platformers. Splatoon is the notable exception of the biggest sellers, but it is the only one.

Does Splatoon have local co-op? Cause that would be awesome :D The probability of there coming more is pretty high though. Well, that kinda depends on 3rd party support as well I guess, so who knows.

You brought up the docking station. I don't know why you would feel forced to buy one anyway. Europeans, unlike Americans, would just unplug a system and carry it to a different room. Or be satisfied with the downclocked version of a game; after all, Switch can easily be played in any room of your house.

It only show cases how Nintendo is nickel-and-diming us, hence the name of the thread. You brought up the PS4/XB1. I think. I'm getting drunk. I dunno.



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Yup lol, the switch and the accessories are grossly overpriced. It looks like a great piece of tech, just too bad they are being greedy.



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They need to make up for the losses with the Wii U

Controls are all really expensive now, even PS4 and Xbox controllers are around that range anyways

I think $300 USD is too high though, even $50 less would make it a lot more appealing to me



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UnderstatedCornHole said:
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I do agree that they're being greedy with things like the accessories, but I don't agree with comparing the switch to the PS4 price and bundle now. It'd make more sense to compare it to the PS4 and XBO when they 1st launched, which PS4 was 399 with no game, and XBO was... 499 only at the time? I don't think any game either. And then with paid online, that's being going on since XBL. Sure you get more for paying for the service, but they're still asking you for extra money on something that used to be free. So yeah, nothing new here...

The accessories though, yeah, too much. They all need to be lowered.

No, it makes sense to compare the prices as the PS4 and XB1 are NOW. They've gone down in price due to cost cutting from increased chip yields, die shrinks as all hardware does. Forget that though, the Switch hardware is a joke, it's been made to cut costs to the maximum at the expense of performance. The PS4 and moreso the XB1 are hardly power houses on the GPU front, the Switch is an abomination and a very bad joke on that front.

There comes a point of diminishing returns when you cut costs this much. They could have spent just a tiny bit more on the hardware and had a hell of a lot more performance. But no, Nintendo have effectively churned out something more weedy than a budget smartphone.

No, I still don't agree it's a fair comparison. Sure, they're gone down in price after 2-3 years of being in the market, but they did start off the same as the Switch, being quite expensive and with no games, and yet people were willing to buy those consoles. I don't see why people wouldn't do the same here. With some very appealing games coming to the Switch this year, as well as the selling point of being able to take it anywhere with you, I think people will be willing to buy it. And the Switch will drop in price with time, as well as get a bundled game. No worries.



 

              

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And what are Sony and Microsoft doing, being generous to the consumer base? lol all these businesses are the same, and it all comes down to money for the most part. It's just easier for everyone here to point out Nintendo's for some reason. Also, how would a PS4 Pro not be considered nickel and diming when a PC with the same specs can be built for the same price, and soon less, and on top of that it's also a PC, meaning it's not a console with a limited OS, and also has more games available on it?



If you don't really do any local multiplayer, then the prices are not the end of the world. I'm just getting the system and a pro controller. Would be way worse for families and people who want it to play with several of their friends.



thomvrell said:
And what are Sony and Microsoft doing, being generous to the consumer base? lol all these businesses are the same, and it all comes down to money for the most part. It's just easier for everyone here to point out Nintendo's for some reason. Also, how would a PS4 Pro not be considered nickel and diming when a PC with the same specs can be built for the same price, and soon less, and on top of that it's also a PC, meaning it's not a console with a limited OS, and also has more games available on it?

I think I'm extra salty since it is Nintendo, it's my favorite console maker and game developer, so it kinda hurts seeing how they're trying to suck me dry



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Cloudman said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

No, it makes sense to compare the prices as the PS4 and XB1 are NOW. They've gone down in price due to cost cutting from increased chip yields, die shrinks as all hardware does. Forget that though, the Switch hardware is a joke, it's been made to cut costs to the maximum at the expense of performance. The PS4 and moreso the XB1 are hardly power houses on the GPU front, the Switch is an abomination and a very bad joke on that front.

There comes a point of diminishing returns when you cut costs this much. They could have spent just a tiny bit more on the hardware and had a hell of a lot more performance. But no, Nintendo have effectively churned out something more weedy than a budget smartphone.

No, I still don't agree it's a fair comparison. Sure, they're gone down in price after 2-3 years of being in the market, but they did start off the same as the Switch, being quite expensive and with no games, and yet people were willing to buy those consoles. I don't see why people wouldn't do the same here. With some very appealing games coming to the Switch this year, as well as the selling point of being able to take it anywhere with you, I think people will be willing to buy it. And the Switch will drop in price with time, as well as get a bundled game. No worries.

You say it's not a fair comparison to frame the response but then go on to not explain why it's not a fair comparison except to re-assert the point that has already been responded to.

The bill of materials of the Xbox one and the PS4 more so was much closer to it's retail selling price.

I'm not complaining about Nintendo making a profit, however big it may be but the argument that the PS4/Xbox One was more expensive on launch is not adhering to logical reasoning. As already said, I'm not happy because this skimping on bill of materials expenditure has negatively affected the power of the console disproportionately vs those reductions in cost.

I'd be more than happy for Nintendo to make MORE profit again and actually release something that is in the same league as competing consoles.

Why are they even releasing a new console? Just put the Wii-U hardware in the gamepad and pretend you've made a new console, oh wait...