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Neodegenerate on 12 January 2017
Soundwave said:
Neodegenerate said:

I agree with the fact that they are more competitive.  Hell, I even want them to be.  The closer they can make things ANYWHERE the better it is for us as consumers.  However, the attempt at spin you had going on is a bit much.  Even you have to see that.  It is equally as bad as the "Sony isn't trying" tripe that is coming from others.

What spin?

MS has plenty of reason to be proud of what they've accomplished this year.

Sony has TWO models. Let me retierate that since it gets glossed over. TWO models. Going against a ONE model system they were previously dominating. 

If Sony didn't have PS4 Pro, even though it didn't appear to help that much, they probably would have lost this holiday season period. 

"XBox was the only system that was up year over year (meaning Sony was down over last year even with PS4 Pro and PS4 Slim and $250 PS4) and overall outsold the PS4 for the second half of the year (after XBOne S was launched). 

That's impressive for Microsoft." - Spin, doesn't take into account what the differences in the two years was when making the comparison.

"meanwhile Sony is somewho down year over year despite having a new model and revision and a $250 promotion. "  - Spin.  Same reason as the first quote.

"If they are down, clearly something is happening and it looks like that "something" is that XBox One is becoming far more competetive, taking away sales from the PS4, because there's no way the PS4 should be down this year with all that going for it. " - Spin and conjecture, again not taking the previous year into account and assuming that the XB1 is the only reason why they would ever be down.





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Soundwave on 12 January 2017
Neodegenerate said:
Soundwave said:

What spin?

MS has plenty of reason to be proud of what they've accomplished this year.

Sony has TWO models. Let me retierate that since it gets glossed over. TWO models. Going against a ONE model system they were previously dominating. 

If Sony didn't have PS4 Pro, even though it didn't appear to help that much, they probably would have lost this holiday season period. 

"XBox was the only system that was up year over year (meaning Sony was down over last year even with PS4 Pro and PS4 Slim and $250 PS4) and overall outsold the PS4 for the second half of the year (after XBOne S was launched). 

That's impressive for Microsoft." - Spin, doesn't take into account what the differences in the two years was when making the comparison.

"meanwhile Sony is somewho down year over year despite having a new model and revision and a $250 promotion. "  - Spin.  Same reason as the first quote.

"If they are down, clearly something is happening and it looks like that "something" is that XBox One is becoming far more competetive, taking away sales from the PS4, because there's no way the PS4 should be down this year with all that going for it. " - Spin and conjecture, again not taking the previous year into account and assuming that the XB1 is the only reason why they would ever be down.

One model almost outselling two models ... is that spin? Especially when that one model was previously getting dominated? 

Sony loses his holiday season without the two models, it looks to me like they needed all the help they could get beating MS. No one was expecting XBox One S to be this competetive aside from a few people. 



hudsoniscool on 12 January 2017

Guys I just don't get why if Microsoft pr says something to take a jab at Sony it's a big deal but when Sony does it to Microsoft it's ok. What does it matter. It's there job to promote their products I just don't get why it bothers anyone.
As far as them saying Xbox outsold PS4 the last 6 months of the year. To me they are just trying to say (whether true or not) that they feel Xbox has been doing better since the slim launched and they have momentum. These companies want to make it seams like their consoles are successful. Microsoft having the looser want people to think they don't have a failing console.

Anyway good December for both. A lot better than November(if leaks true).



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

Aura7541 on 12 January 2017
Soundwave said:
Playstation_awaiter said:

The sales gap is good enough, but I agree they weren't as competetive. Maybe didn't try hard is the wrong wording. Not as competive as last year is better. The multiple star wars bundles and cod bundles had enough time to sell. This year PRO and PSVR were never going to be huge sellers, too expensive for the holidays. Than we have the uncharted 4 bundle which does not have as much appeal. COD not being as good this year and bundle coming in late. Next year though is gon be good. 

Sony would have lost this holiday season entirely without PS4 Pro IMO. No doubt that added at least 300-400k to their overall sales from November onwards, otherwise MS probably wins this holiday. PS4 Slim wasn't nearly as enthusiastically recieved as the XBox One S. 

US was XBox 360 Land too, lets not forget that, now that MS is removed a lot of the issues the XBox One had in the past with a fresh rebranding, it's not even that surprising that they are more competetive. People hate to say it, but the XBox brand still has considerable sway in the US. 

You're running on the assumption that if Sony didn't release the Pro, those alleged 300-400k sales wouldn't happen. What piece of evidence do you have that supports your notion?



Soundwave on 12 January 2017
Aura7541 said:
Soundwave said:

Sony would have lost this holiday season entirely without PS4 Pro IMO. No doubt that added at least 300-400k to their overall sales from November onwards, otherwise MS probably wins this holiday. PS4 Slim wasn't nearly as enthusiastically recieved as the XBox One S. 

US was XBox 360 Land too, lets not forget that, now that MS is removed a lot of the issues the XBox One had in the past with a fresh rebranding, it's not even that surprising that they are more competetive. People hate to say it, but the XBox brand still has considerable sway in the US. 

You're running on the assumption that if Sony didn't release the Pro, those alleged 300-400k sales wouldn't happen. What piece of evidence do you have that supports your notion?

You're also assuming then that no one anywhere who had a PS4 bought a PS4 Pro as an upgrade. Of course new model revisions can help boost sales. 

Based on the gap being relatively close, to me, sure yeah it likely had an impact. 



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princevenom on 12 January 2017

that ms pr spin holy shit lol so funny



Aura7541 on 12 January 2017
Soundwave said:
Aura7541 said:

You're running on the assumption that if Sony didn't release the Pro, those alleged 300-400k sales wouldn't happen. What piece of evidence do you have that supports your notion?

You're also assuming then that no one anywhere who had a PS4 bought a PS4 Pro as an upgrade. Of course new model revisions can help boost sales. 

Based on the gap being relatively close, to me, sure yeah it likely had an impact. 

Strawman fallacy. Show me where I made that allegation.



Intrinsic on 12 January 2017
Soundwave said:
Neodegenerate said:

He isn't getting "pushed around" for saying they have been more competitive.  He is getting "pushed around" because he said they are closing the gap by selling less than their competitor.

It's not a popular opinion around here to give MS credit for anything, if they hold their own then it's also apparently "well Sony wasn't even trying". Yeah gimme a break. 

Did you just ignore the bolded part of what he said? Or do you really only see what you want to see.

Nobody is disputing that MS is being more competitive. 

We are saying that

  1. them being this competetive in NA isn't anything new as it has always been the case. Its MS strongest territory after all. 
  2. winning 4 out of 8 months and being ahead the last 6 months of the year doesn't mean shit when you still lose the whole year by around 300k.
  3. we are saying that the gap isn't closing. It has still increased and yet you make it sound like it hasn't. Only real thing happenning here is that MS is reducing the rate at which that gap increases. It has dropped from the yearly ~500k to 300k this year.
Try and get what people are saying to you and stop playing the victim card.


jason1637 on 12 January 2017
Kerotan said:
GribbleGrunger said:

Now that is bold

PS4:
Yakuza 0
Kingdom Hearts HD
Gravity Rush 2
Tales Of Besteria
Buzz for: Nier/Horizon Zero Dawn

XB1:
Nothing
Buzz for: Nothing

Lol that's brutal.  Sony really killing it pre season this year.

 

Excellent win for Sony.  They just did the treble.  

 

2014 - Check 

2015 - Check 

2016 - Check 

 

The clean sweep!!!! 

But most of those games arent Sony games...



Neodegenerate on 12 January 2017
Soundwave said:
Neodegenerate said:

"XBox was the only system that was up year over year (meaning Sony was down over last year even with PS4 Pro and PS4 Slim and $250 PS4) and overall outsold the PS4 for the second half of the year (after XBOne S was launched). 

That's impressive for Microsoft." - Spin, doesn't take into account what the differences in the two years was when making the comparison.

"meanwhile Sony is somewho down year over year despite having a new model and revision and a $250 promotion. "  - Spin.  Same reason as the first quote.

"If they are down, clearly something is happening and it looks like that "something" is that XBox One is becoming far more competetive, taking away sales from the PS4, because there's no way the PS4 should be down this year with all that going for it. " - Spin and conjecture, again not taking the previous year into account and assuming that the XB1 is the only reason why they would ever be down.

One model almost outselling two models ... is that spin? Especially when that one model was previously getting dominated? 

It is spin when, again, you aren't taking into account what happened in the previous year.

When you are discussing sales between two companies between two years you have 3 items in play: Company 1, Company 2, and the Previous Year.

If in the previous year Sony had HUGE game releases in Battlefront and CoD and others as mentioned by others before, that explains them being down YoY.  The fact that you aren't willing to see those as reasons and just touting the success of the XB1, is spin.

If in the previous year the XB1 was doing poorly because it only had the one model that wasn't the XB1S and suddenly it has a new model and is doing better, and you aren't taking that previous year into account as to why it is up YoY then that is spin.

Also, in some of the months that MS did win this year, didn't they have a fire sale on the non-XB1S model in order to make room for their "one" model?

Also, losing by 100k in Nov, while close in the grand scheme, isn't "almost outselling" anything.  That in itself is spin as well.