What joke?

Well, why do you guys have it as a tag on your profile pics and why are you guys talking about it.

I'm not sure I understand.

1) PS3 also declined worldwide: 158 million to 87 million. Do you think that was because the worldwide console market shrank? No, it's because the PS3 library was less appealing than the PS2 library to westerners, and doubly so for Japan. And as a side note, Japan accounted for a higher percentage of Wii U sales than GameCube sales, so that is completely spurious.

2) How is the 3DS outselling the PSP indicative of the market being stable? The 3DS+Vita is 29 million, and the PSP is 20 million. Are you arguing that only 9 million DS sales went to the core market, and Nintendo's core audience actually grew in Japan by 15 million from DS to 3DS? This is ludicrous, especially as the Game Boy sold 33 million in Japan, just as much as the DS. Was the GB also a temporary expansion?

You say that the Vita's poor sales are because it was never truly supported by Sony, which means that you agree that a console's library has an impact on its sales. This further deconstructs your argument about a severe decline in the core console gaming audience, seeing that you explain away a decline in the handheld market by talking about the Vita's lack of support, but ignore any such logic for other declines. Obviously the PS3 would have poor sales relative to previous PS consoles: Gen 7 saw a majority of Japanese developers go bankrupt or take a nosedive in quality.

3) The handheld market is certainly not declining anymore, given that the Switch is selling better than the 3DS. It certainly declined from the DS to the 3DS, but that generation is over. If you want to talk about Europe, the Switch is still doing better there. The 3DS shipped 400k in Europe and RoW in its second quarter, while the Switch shipped 690k. Of course, Europe really doesn't even matter considering the Switch's performance in the Americas: 110k versus 750k during its second quarter. Despite your strange assertions, we do, in fact, have numbers. The Switch is selling out with a vastly larger amount of stock than the 3DS.

By the way...

Would you look at that. Can anyone say "narrative switch"? You literally just said that the Switch won't do well in the west because of the decline of handhelds, but now you're explaining away its success in the west because it's selling as a home console.

Thank God we have a fake mod with an ego problem to set us straight. Is a little bit of fun cutting into your soapbox time?

Some are goofing off and some are discussing the topics that get them moderated. What's the big deal?

Lol that cracked me up. 

@Bristow bingo! 

But I downplay everything. I'm not a fanboy of a single platform. See, my motive is just to disrupt circle jerks while fanboy's motive is to sell more consoles for their brand overlords.

I'm just so often in Nintendo threads because that's simply the most threads in this forum and the easiest to either be created as or devolve into a circle jerk. I'm just trying to help to make this forum a nicer place :(

1. No. It was because the PS3 was super expensive, launched 1 year after the 360 and never reached mass market price. And yet it still came relatively close to the PS1. I don't see why you're forgetting how much of the market share the 360 took away from the PS3.

2. You're not listening when I said that Sony didn't support the Vita so I don't see why you're adding the 3DS sales to the Vita one to show that the handheld market isn't stable in Japan. Sony doesn't care about the handheld market. As for the GB, it was the first true handheld and those numbers include both the GB and the GBC numbers. Why not use the GBA sales to compare with the 3DS? The 3DS sold better than the GBA in Japan but way less in the west.

And yes, a console library does impact its sales. You say that a lot of devs went bankrupt last gen which is why the PS3 wasn't well supported which led to lower console sales. So how is that going to change this gen? We've seen that the PS4 is getting massive support from devs so why aren't console sales going way up? Let me tell you why - it's because the console market is much smaller now.

3. We only have numbers for 2 quarters and guess what? The Switch isn't leading by much - 4.7M vs 4.32M. For all it's super slow start, the 3DS isn't far behind the Switch which is being supported right out of the gate with Nintendo's most popular franchises. How long do you think the Switch will keep ahead? And that's not even factoring the WiiU numbers.

As for your last point, another's false equivalence from you. I said the Switch won't be very high - not that it won't do relatively well. It will be a decline for Nintendo. My narrative still the same. Nintendo's console sales declining worldwide doesn't mean that it'll sell 0 in the west. It means that worldwide, Nintendo's consoles sales are declining. Similarly, handheld sales declining in the west does not mean thtat it'll sell 0 in the west. Japan will hold up Switch sales up. The combination of the remaining handheld fans and the remaining potential buyers of a Nintendo console will hold up the Switch sales (will still be down) but remember this is due to the combination of the platforms.

I mean do you think Nintendo combined handheld and console and lost 1 pillar for fun? As I said, we will see in a few years but how many units do you think the Switch will sell overall.

Welp, this thread is getting out of hand.

Someone's going to have to Rol out some bans