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VGPolyglot on 23 August 2017
Bristow9091 said:
Azuren said:

The community's wants are irrelevant.

 

It's all about the House of El's wants.

That is true, cousin Cor-El, over time our wants will be met, and the House of El will reign supreme!

Man, the people not in the know are going to be so confused.



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Aeolus451 on 23 August 2017
VGPolyglot said:
FunFan said:
I never seen Kerotan post something truly offensive. And I mean truly offensive. Like comments that promote racism, sexism, violence or mocks/demonize certain sexual preferences. Neither have I seen any comment in which he insults another member. But he may have a few of those. Anyway, from what I can tell, his comments are only seen as offensive from the point of view of the oversensitive fans who can't cope with criticism or edgy humor. Which to me has always seem like a problem with the VGC community itself, all fanbases included. He may be taking advantage of said oversensitiveness but still...

I also have a theory about Rol's posture against Kerotan. I think that Kerotan at some point was able to trigger Rol, while Rol have never been able to do the same with Kerotan. That kind of makes Kerotan the "Alpha Troll" of the site, causing Rol to act all diva trying to get Kerotan out of the way through any means he can. Vivster seems to be fine being number 3, so that's good trollsportsmanship and makes me proud.

Also, I'm definitely not a Sony fan.

In the Purge thread, he was going wild. I believe he did insult Ace.

Did he? Alot of people were going at eachother in there if I recall correctly.



AngryLittleAlchemist on 23 August 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Bristow9091 said:

That is true, cousin Cor-El, over time our wants will be met, and the House of El will reign supreme!

Man, the people not in the know are going to be so confused.

*raises hand* 

 

lol



Azuren on 23 August 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
VGPolyglot said:

Man, the people not in the know are going to be so confused.

*raises hand* 

 

lol

Move along, nothing to see



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VGPolyglot on 23 August 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
VGPolyglot said:

Man, the people not in the know are going to be so confused.

*raises hand* 

 

lol

If you don't know now, you shall always wonder, never to discover the meanings and goals of these words.



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StarDoor on 23 August 2017
Lawlight said:
StarDoor said:

I see. You've set the bar ridiculously low for the PS4 just so you can pretend like it has some sort of victory over Nintendo.

The best-selling Sony console is 23 million, while the best-selling Nintendo console is 33 million. But the PS4 can be 12 million behind that (less than half of the PS2's sales) and still be more impressive unless the Switch gets within 6 million of the best-selling console of all time.

The PS4 is doing much better than the PS3 everywhere else. Why would it be "excellent" to merely pass 10 million? That wouldn't even come close to putting a stop to the decline in home consoles. The Wii and PS3 sold 23 million combined. The Wii U is only at 3 million, so really there ought to be a lot of leftover marketshare. Why should we be content with the PS4 selling the same as the PS3, when that was Sony's worst performance?

If you're going to jump into the conversation, you should at least inform yourself on the context. We're talking about lifetime sales in Japan.

Wii U: 3.3 million lifetime
3DS: 24+ million by year's end
Combined: 27+ million

By the way, Lawlight, you've said numerous times that the handheld market is in decline, which is why we shouldn't expect high sales for the Switch. But now suddenly it's a given that the Switch will do super well because it's a handheld. You just can't stick to a single narrative, can you?

How is the bar ridiculously low when the bar is close to the best selling console of last generation in Japan has sold 12M with the PS3 selling 10M? We've told you multiple times that console sales are in decline in Japan but you chose to compare the PS4 sales to sales of consoles from 2 generations ago.

Handhel market is in decline worldwide but it is steady in Japan. As for why I said you shouldn't expect very high sales for the Switch, it is because Nintendo's console sales have been declining worldwide while their handheld sales have been declining in the west. Please keep that in mind before suggesting that I switch narrative.

 

How convenient that every single one of your assumptions works into a narrative that paints Sony's Japanese performance in the best possible light and Nintendo's Japanese performance in the worst, while at the same time allowing you to expect a worldwide decline for the Switch. Truly amazing.

According to you:

1.) Console sales are still in decline in Japan -> Therefore, it would be impressive for PS4 to merely match PS3 in Japan
2.) Handheld sales are stable in Japan -> Therefore, it's obvious that the Switch could reach 20 million in Japan, and its current sales are unimpressive
3.) Handheld sales are still in decline in the west -> Therefore, the Switch will sell less worldwide than the 3DS

1 and 2 make no sense when put together: An obvious double standard. Apparently, 27 million PS2+GCN going to 23 million PS3+Wii is enough to suggest a permanent decline that lasts into the eighth generation, but 53 million PSP+DS to 29 million 3DS+Vita suggests stability.

3 is veritably false, since we have five months of NPD data and Nintendo's own shipment numbers that show how the Switch is much more popular than the 3DS in the west. The Switch is selling faster at $300 than the 3DS did at $170. The 3DS was never sold out in the US, yet the Switch is still sold out five months later with higher shipment numbers. Rational observers would conclude that the supposed "decline" was in large part because the 3DS was simply an unappealing product to westerners.



Azuren on 23 August 2017

You're on a roll, cousin Star-El!



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Kerotan on 23 August 2017
FunFan said:
I never seen Kerotan post something truly offensive. And I mean truly offensive. Like comments that promote racism, sexism, violence or mocks/demonize certain sexual preferences. Neither have I seen any comment in which he insults another member. But he may have a few of those. Anyway, from what I can tell, his comments are only seen as offensive from the point of view of the oversensitive fans who can't cope with criticism or edgy humor. Which to me has always seem like a problem with the VGC community itself, all fanbases included. He may be taking advantage of said oversensitiveness but still...

I also have a theory about Rol's posture against Kerotan. I think that Kerotan at some point was able to trigger Rol, while Rol have never been able to do the same with Kerotan. That kind of makes Kerotan the "Alpha Troll" of the site, causing Rol to act all diva trying to get Kerotan out of the way through any means he can. Vivster seems to be fine being number 3, so that's good trollsportsmanship and makes me proud.

Also, I'm definitely not a Sony fan.

I'll only address your first paragraph but you are bang on the money.  I'm seen as a troll by people who can't handle the success of the ps4. In reality I'm just a spreader of facts. 

VGPolyglot said:
FunFan said:
I never seen Kerotan post something truly offensive. And I mean truly offensive. Like comments that promote racism, sexism, violence or mocks/demonize certain sexual preferences. Neither have I seen any comment in which he insults another member. But he may have a few of those. Anyway, from what I can tell, his comments are only seen as offensive from the point of view of the oversensitive fans who can't cope with criticism or edgy humor. Which to me has always seem like a problem with the VGC community itself, all fanbases included. He may be taking advantage of said oversensitiveness but still...

I also have a theory about Rol's posture against Kerotan. I think that Kerotan at some point was able to trigger Rol, while Rol have never been able to do the same with Kerotan. That kind of makes Kerotan the "Alpha Troll" of the site, causing Rol to act all diva trying to get Kerotan out of the way through any means he can. Vivster seems to be fine being number 3, so that's good trollsportsmanship and makes me proud.

Also, I'm definitely not a Sony fan.

In the Purge thread, he was going wild. I believe he did insult Ace.

Lol it's a purge thread.  I felt left out of such a fun thread so said I'd jump in. If I didn't insult people there I'd be doing it all wrong. 



jason1637 on 23 August 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
VGPolyglot said:

Man, the people not in the know are going to be so confused.

*raises hand* 

 

lol

I dont know either



Lawlight on 24 August 2017
StarDoor said:
Lawlight said:

How is the bar ridiculously low when the bar is close to the best selling console of last generation in Japan has sold 12M with the PS3 selling 10M? We've told you multiple times that console sales are in decline in Japan but you chose to compare the PS4 sales to sales of consoles from 2 generations ago.

Handhel market is in decline worldwide but it is steady in Japan. As for why I said you shouldn't expect very high sales for the Switch, it is because Nintendo's console sales have been declining worldwide while their handheld sales have been declining in the west. Please keep that in mind before suggesting that I switch narrative.

 

How convenient that every single one of your assumptions works into a narrative that paints Sony's Japanese performance in the best possible light and Nintendo's Japanese performance in the worst, while at the same time allowing you to expect a worldwide decline for the Switch. Truly amazing.

According to you:

1.) Console sales are still in decline in Japan -> Therefore, it would be impressive for PS4 to merely match PS3 in Japan
2.) Handheld sales are stable in Japan -> Therefore, it's obvious that the Switch could reach 20 million in Japan, and its current sales are unimpressive
3.) Handheld sales are still in decline in the west -> Therefore, the Switch will sell less worldwide than the 3DS

1 and 2 make no sense when put together: An obvious double standard. Apparently, 27 million PS2+GCN going to 23 million PS3+Wii is enough to suggest a permanent decline that lasts into the eighth generation, but 53 million PSP+DS to 29 million 3DS+Vita suggests stability.

3 is veritably false, since we have five months of NPD data and Nintendo's own shipment numbers that show how the Switch is much more popular than the 3DS in the west. The Switch is selling faster at $300 than the 3DS did at $170. The 3DS was never sold out in the US, yet the Switch is still sold out five months later with higher shipment numbers. Rational observers would conclude that the supposed "decline" was in large part because the 3DS was simply an unappealing product to westerners.

There are no assumptions in my post - only facts and trends based on facts. It's not my fault if the numbers paints Sony's Japanese performance in a positive light.

1 & 2 make perfect sense:

The decline doesn't look as bad from PS2+GCN to PS3+Wii because the Wii overperformed by selling to the non-gaming market. That market isn't there anymore. Look at the PS consoles sales trend in Japan - going from selling 23M to 10M. When it comes to the core console gaming audience, the decline has been steep. Just look at the WiiU's number - it was well supported by Nintendo and yet its sales dropped from the GC numbers.

And yes, handheld gaming is stable in Japan as the 3DS is the 3rd best selling system in Japan. It outsold the PSP after all. And this is another case where you cannot just compare total numbers - the DS, like the Wii, temporarily expanded the market while, at the same time, the Vita was never truly supported by Sony, especially in Japan.

3 is verifiably true. The 3DS is the first handheld to have sold more in Japan that any of the other western regions. Imagine that a system selling more in Japan than in the Europe or the US. You also cannot use just NPD as we're talking about both Europe and the US. You're also forgetting that the Switch is not selling in the west as a handheld but as a console.

And FYI selling out means nothing without numbers. I guess we'll have to wait for a few more years to show who's right and who's wrong.