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I should become more toxic if i read that correctly

/in before thread ban



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@CGI-Quality Not sure if you accidentally referenced the wrong post in your ban note for Klaudkill, he edited it after the initial infraction, or I've missed something in my morning stupor.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9039301



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COKTOE said:

@CGI-Quality Not sure if you accidentally referenced the wrong post in your ban note for Klaudkill, he edited it after the initial infraction, or I've missed something in my morning stupor.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9039301

This is the post he got banned for: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9039331

Somehow he got unbanned after 2 hours, so the reinstated ban references the wrong post.



JWeinCom said:
KLAMarine said:

I don't think it's wrong to post an OP that is neutral and then let it be known where one stands on an issue later on in the thread.

No, it's not that the post is neutral.  It's that the OP is specifically claiming that THEY are neutral in the comments.  That they"don't know what they think about" the topic.  But you can see from OP's subsequent posts that they clearly have an opinion.

It's because a lot of people would simply avoid responding if they knew that they were in for an argument.  Pretending to be neutral gets people to respond that otherwise would not have, and then before they know it, they're in an argument, and because of the way we're wired, they feel compelled to defend it and keep posting.

OP wants to argue about it.  And if he wants to spend his time doing that, more power to him.  But he's trying to bait people into arguing who may not normally be inclined, which is why you saw such a strong reaction

The above quote about sums it up. Vgchartz needs a rule against pretending to be neutral in the OP, and then going full blown argument mode in the rest of the thread. Had the OP just said "This is B.S.! Transgender person has been discriminated against!" in the OP, then the thread would be fine. Granted, his opinion is wrong and a ridiculous one. Scratch that. It's not an opinion. It's a factually false belief. You can't discriminate against a person who is biologically still a man in this context, and in this specific situation. 

BTW I'm against people being called Trolls or the whole idea of trolling in general. It often leads to people getting banned for ridiculous reasons. Before I came here I made a thread in some other forums arguing that 3DS was infinitely better than Vita. I was open and honest in the OP that I thought Vita was terrible, and on the verge of death, while 3DS was amazing. Vita fans came into the thread, and tried arguing everything on the planet that Vita was superior to 3DS. I never insulted anybody, but was insulted multiple times, and called a troll in the thread. I kept getting accused of not wanted a genuine discussion, simply because I wouldn't bend to the ridiculous arguments being presented in favor of Vita being better. Eventually they issued me a 5 day ban, and I left the forums for good to come here. In hindsight I was beyond absolutely correct. Vita died completely in 2013, while 3DS flourished. Anybody saying Vita is better than 3DS in this day and age should be laughed at. 

TL/DR: People should never be moderated for their opinions/false beliefs, and accusing someone of being a troll basically amounts to a psychological attack. 

P.S. The correct way to handle that thread is to show how OP's idea is blatantly false, and contradictory. Then, everytime he posts a new thread, post linking to all his old threads where he's been proven wrong time and time again. This should be enough to keep people from being baited into arguing with him, that don't want to argue with him. 

Edit: You know what? Nope. OP's thread should be locked on account of being sexist, because it flat out is. It should be locked just as quickly as any thread stating that "Negroes are inferior to White Men, and deserve to be enslaved!". OP should be banned for a month for his ridiculous and factually wrong beliefs. 

Last edited by Cerebralbore101 - on 30 July 2019

In response to Rol's above post.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9015351

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9015410

The mod team is well acquainted with the behavior of o_O.Q, including very recently, so this is indeed a case that the team should be looking at.

Last edited by Carl - on 30 July 2019

                            

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Barkley said:
COKTOE said:

@CGI-Quality Not sure if you accidentally referenced the wrong post in your ban note for Klaudkill, he edited it after the initial infraction, or I've missed something in my morning stupor.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9039301

This is the post he got banned for: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9039331

Somehow he got unbanned after 2 hours, so the reinstated ban references the wrong post.

Aaah. Thank you.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

CGI-Quality said:
Barkley said:

This is the post he got banned for: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9039331

Somehow he got unbanned after 2 hours, so the reinstated ban references the wrong post.

Nah, the second moderation referenced the original post, but when I hit submit, it glitched to his most recent thread. A glitch that sometimes happens with the new system in place.

As for the discussion on o_O.Q's thread, it should have indeed been locked. A misstep for sure and I appreciate the attention brought to it. Also, I'm going to review morenoingrato's moderation, because while I get it, I also see why he was lead to saying what he did.

Aaaah again. Thanks for the explanation.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

Going by the rules, Rol should get a 14 day ban for heavy backseat moderating.



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RolStoppable said:

Conclusion

The appropriate course of action now is to undo morenoingrato's ban. Overturn the moderation and don't hold it against him in the future. Nobody else in the thread gets moderated; if it happened while I was writing this, treat it the same way as morenoingrato's case. The only person you have to moderate is o_O.Q with 14 ban days or more.

The appropriate course of action is not up for you to decide.

You can make suggestions, but you don't get to tell the mod team in it's entirety what to do, we don't have to do a thing.

Instead you can be constructive in other ways, let us know about discrepancies, let us know if something is unfair, but don't start dictating terms and conditions.




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I dont get why everyone focus lies with the irrevant part or rols posts, then again that maybe the only bad part of his post thus why some love to jump on it.

His initial assesment is valid, but it looks like he is talking in a room full of people with earplugs



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Instead of seeking to convince others, we can be open to changing our own minds, and seek out information that contradicts our own steadfast point of view. Maybe it’ll turn out that those who disagree with you actually have a solid grasp of the facts. There’s a slight possibility that, after all, you’re the one who’s wrong.