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Einsam_Delphin said:

 

Highly disagree, Splatoon's amazing gameplay, the most important thing, makes it well worth using a control scheme you already know how to use and actively use in 90% of games you play. Demanding/expecting games use the system's non-primary control scheme is silly in it of itself, but Wiimote controls psychically wouldn't even work in this game, not well anyway. Not enough inputs even without counting the second screen functionality, and how would turning work besides being awkwardly slow, a complete no no for a fastpaced game. For this type of game, wiimote controls would actually be the worst method as there's a lot more to it than simply aiming.

I see you're writing off the Switch port already. So, you think the dual-analog (the primary method) is to one to go? Motion control is the secondary option. 

There's no control method I use in 90% of the games I play, I use Wii Remote sideways, NES controller, 2DS D-pad roughly 60% of the time. Secondly, when talking about shooters, I've been using the Wii Remote+Nunchuck option by far the most, and it is best suited for the fast paced arcade action. Splatoon isn't that different from Metroid Prime, Water Warfare or Onslaught.



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dharh said:

Because I've played it, quite a bit actually, which you'd know if you paid attention.  It's a game quite a few Nintendo fans like and use as an example of a Wii U game done right, yet I don't like it for very obvious reasons.  So yes it's a good example of a 'good' game that would be bad for me to purchase and it's certainly not my duty to own if I did own a Wii U.

Also, I will eventually own a Wii U.  Why you may ask?  Because it has at least one game I do like, Xenoblade Chronicles X.  However, I won't buy a Wii U until I can get the deluxe for $200 or less.  So far no dice.

You know, if you're not interested in Wii BC, it makes next to no sense to get the more expensive version (if you get a game to go with Basic). I paid 220€ for my Premium model new, and didn't take long before I had to buy a USB stick, currently I have 128GB USB on it. Virtual Console version of Metroid Prime Trilogy don't work from the USB, so this is so far the only thing so far I've needed the Premium model.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Airaku said:

I think that peoples opinion on Nintendo is going to change fairly soon. I think people are going to be very surprised when they see what Nintendo might be bringing to the table with the Switch. Based on what I've heard and putting 2 and 2 together. We're going to see some major changes with Nintendo's brand image.

Some people will change their opinion if the Switch looks good, but others won't.
There are two possible scenarios: the Switch is underpowered (which is the most likely) or it's too expensive. (Or it's something in between, but then people will complain about both.)

 There will denfinitely be some critisism on the games too. People are now saying they want a new Metroid and F-Zero. But if these get announced, other people will say that Nintendo just keeps getting back to their old IPs and isn't innovative anymore.

It's just impossible to get everybody happy.



RolStoppable said:
dharh said:

Because I've played it, quite a bit actually, which you'd know if you paid attention.  It's a game quite a few Nintendo fans like and use as an example of a Wii U game done right, yet I don't like it for very obvious reasons.  So yes it's a good example of a 'good' game that would be bad for me to purchase and it's certainly not my duty to own if I did own a Wii U.

Also, I will eventually own a Wii U.  Why you may ask?  Because it has at least one game I do like, Xenoblade Chronicles X.  However, I won't buy a Wii U until I can get the deluxe for $200 or less.  So far no dice.

Do you really think that your post frequency makes you a prominent VGC member that should be remembered? While your posts in NIntendo topics are pretty bad, they aren't remarkable. You earn a plus point for feeling the need to talk about Splatoon in response to a post that people shouldn't support certain publishers for the sake of giving money to them, but again, specifics will be quickly forgotten if you don't pull off another stunt like that on a more regular basis.

I don't think I could have worded it in a more arrogant self-righteous way myself.

Considering how much I love myself that's surprising.



Flilix said:
Airaku said:

I think that peoples opinion on Nintendo is going to change fairly soon. I think people are going to be very surprised when they see what Nintendo might be bringing to the table with the Switch. Based on what I've heard and putting 2 and 2 together. We're going to see some major changes with Nintendo's brand image.

Some people will change their opinion if the Switch looks good, but others won't.
There are two possible scenarios: the Switch is underpowered (which is the most likely) or it's too expensive. (Or it's something in between, but then people will complain about both.)

 There will denfinitely be some critisism on the games too. People are now saying they want a new Metroid and F-Zero. But if these get announced, other people will say that Nintendo just keeps getting back to their old IPs and isn't innovative anymore.

It's just impossible to get everybody happy.

I agree. I'm so excited to see what software gets announced and I really want a new Metroid Prime.... but I'm not going to get my hopes up on this.  Right now I'm trying to be as open as possible with the software, but I might be disappointed if we don't see Beyond Good & Evil 2 :P I definitely want to see some crazy games! New IP's, old IP's. The Switch is a bit of a reset button in many ways I think. The Wii era is pretty much over.

As for the specs. You're right, there really can only be two scenarios in terms of the base console. But it's possible that there is an alternative you may, or may not have heard of before *nudge nudge* I don't think the system will be too under powered in the eyes of many. I think that what we'll see, and what's on paper might not add up conventionally. Though I could be wrong, let's reflect in a few days?

The Switch is going to be a new concept (mostly) for gaming. It's going to revolutionize a lot of things. I'm curious on how Sony and Microsoft will respond going forward. Consider the idea that Nintendo could be making a Switch? What if Nintendo does a 180? A full Switch around? ;) 

If a system could make everyone happy... I don't think there would be more than one hardware maker in the industry. Everyone has different tastes and mindsets. There isn't a single thing that everyone likes, but there's also not a single thing that exists that someone doesn't like either.




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Rolstoppabble said:
RolStoppable said:

Do you really think that your post frequency makes you a prominent VGC member that should be remembered? While your posts in NIntendo topics are pretty bad, they aren't remarkable. You earn a plus point for feeling the need to talk about Splatoon in response to a post that people shouldn't support certain publishers for the sake of giving money to them, but again, specifics will be quickly forgotten if you don't pull off another stunt like that on a more regular basis.

I don't think I could have worded it in a more arrogant self-righteous way myself.

Considering how much I love myself that's surprising.

In before the nick Rolstopbabble makes a +1.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Why would they ? Did the people who constantly found excuses for Nintendo's bad actions/choices disappeared when Nintendo was doing bad ? Nope.



Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you are necessarily right.

Einsam_Delphin said:
DarkD said:

No, I'm saying exactly the opposite. The switch has less on it than the Wii.  I just don't think less is enough to make it a successful console.  

What you're saying still lacks explanation, and if you do think the Switch reveal was good then I really can't understand why you're shocked that a good looking product isn't getting mass hate.

I thought I explained it pretty well.  Hardcore console gamers thought the Wii was the worst threat to mainstream gaming since the Atari 2600's ET.  For all the reasons I stated before, incredibly profitable mini-game compilations, exercise games, a looming Sony bankruptcy, a looming Microsoft exiting the console industry.  

Wii U was the immediate successor to the Wii and even kept part of the originals name.  It was the perfect target for the hatred and rage gamers felt at the time.  

All of that was explained in my initial post in longer form....



RolStoppable said:
dharh said:

I was trying to add nuance.  People here love to claim such and such games are good and people are somehow defective or don't like _fun_ if they don't buy and like certain games.  I disagree completely. 

If you had paid attention to the previous post you had just quoted when I said that you would know that I have played the Wii U and quite a bit of Splatoon.  Just because I don't own a Wii U doesn't mean I havn't played the game and discovered that I indeed don't like it.

I reviewed the whole conversation we had in a properly awake state. I did indeed not connect the dots that you were refering to a post of yours that you had just posted minutes ago. That was a clear mistake on my part.

However, the entry point of the conversation is as weird as it was before. If you were trying to add nuance by mentioning an example, then it would have to be anything except a Nintendo game, because the person I talked to specifically excluded Nintendo games from the games he felt he had a "duty" to buy, meaning he has no problem to skip Nintendo games he isn't interested in. I suppose you read my post ("Your duty is to support good games...") as saying that good games are determined by Metascores and/or community consensus, but that interpretation doesn't hold up in the context of the entire conversation. He doesn't need to buy third party games to have a leg to stand on in arguments, so it doesn't matter how much other people insist that a game should have been bought.

That's why I started to question you, because I thought that you just wanted to say something negative about Nintendo. An assumption that isn't far-fetched based on your posting history; I don't need to remember specifics to be aware of the general attitude. Your initial post either needed a non-Nintendo game as example or a more elaborate explanation for what you were trying to say. By now you have provided a sufficient explanation.

That's it from my side, you can have the last word if there's anything left to say.

I 'chose' Splatoon simply because prior to reading your post I had read bdbdbd's post where he mentioned Splatoon.  It just happened to be on my mind.  It's also a pretty popular game here that I just happen to not like.  I guess I could have chosen FFIX which I also don't like within my favorite series no less.

Other than that my negativity torwards Nintendo is specific to the last few generations.  NES/SNES/GB/GBA era Nintendo for me is some of the best gaming I ever had.  Nintendo had the best first party, the best third party, and was always considered the must own console no matter what genre you loved.  This is simply not the case now and has not been for a while.



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bdbdbd said:
dharh said:

Because I've played it, quite a bit actually, which you'd know if you paid attention.  It's a game quite a few Nintendo fans like and use as an example of a Wii U game done right, yet I don't like it for very obvious reasons.  So yes it's a good example of a 'good' game that would be bad for me to purchase and it's certainly not my duty to own if I did own a Wii U.

Also, I will eventually own a Wii U.  Why you may ask?  Because it has at least one game I do like, Xenoblade Chronicles X.  However, I won't buy a Wii U until I can get the deluxe for $200 or less.  So far no dice.

You know, if you're not interested in Wii BC, it makes next to no sense to get the more expensive version (if you get a game to go with Basic). I paid 220€ for my Premium model new, and didn't take long before I had to buy a USB stick, currently I have 128GB USB on it. Virtual Console version of Metroid Prime Trilogy don't work from the USB, so this is so far the only thing so far I've needed the Premium model.

Hmm I may have to research that a little then.  I want to get my entire previous Nintendo catalog on the Wii U when I buy it so I don't have to bust out my old consoles when I want to play old games (I don't emu).  If a USB stick works then i'll probably do that instead.



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