It didn't kill Xbox One sales. Though Sony still won't do it.

They'll just market the shit out of the PS4 and Pro for 14ish months.

Microsoft will go "4K gaming, Blu Ray, and streaming for $499" and Sony will go "4K gaming and entertainment on the worlds best selling console for $349"

By that time the ps4 will be seriously cheap and a budget option and the ps5 might be ps4 compatible too.

I'm confused why everyone acts like they know the price on the machine. And how they know sonys reaction to certain price points /power points.

I mean...I think it's pretty clear that everyone here is guessing. I don't recall seeing anyone saying that they have any sort of insider information.

Because Scorpio is compatible with the XB1. PS5 will be a whole new thing and not part of the PS4 family like the scorpio is with the XB1 family.

Even if they market it as so MS can still market the Slim as the affordable option and Scorpio as the most powerful console and the only console to support true 4K 60fps. 

That's true. Like I said I don't expect Sony to say anything about the PS5 that early either way.

Actually the Scorpio won't be the only console with 4K 60fps games. The Pro has a handful of games that run at that performance including FIFA 17. I expect more games (especially sports games) will follow.

Obviously the Scorpio will have more 4K/60 games, but it's not the only one.

we first have to see if every old game would receive the visual performance improvements. And if the HDD is 2 tera.

But anyway, if I come to USA(for other reason xD), i sell my fat xbox on brasil(for probably the equivalent to 400$ direct converted) and get a scorpio for the same price.

Based on flops alone? It's likely mid-range. Not beastly.
Just beastly compared to the other consoles I guess.

They will mostly likely only advertise their best platform in trailers and such. Which will probably continue to be PC, followed by Scorpio.
Even at E3 companies tend to use the PC as it allows them to provide the best graphics representation.

The Original Xbox One will probably be advertised as an "Also-on" platform.

Not everyone actually cares about first-party titles though. Most are just happy with their yearly Call of Duty or Asassins Creed, Scorpio should have the best graphics in those games as it should be able to leverage more demanding PC graphics options.

That's the spirit! Never loose hope! :P

To be fair, consoles have always been crippled by relatively poor, low-end and cheap CPU's.

However, we need to keep in mind that consoles are cost-sensitive devices, you cannot have the best of everything... So it makes more sense to throw hardware in a console that returns the best bang-for-buck improvement in graphics which is then used in advertising and such to sell more games.

If you think Scorpio is going to have a $500+ GPU. Then you are kidding yourself.

Don't get your hopes up. Keller is still confined by AMD's direction defined by it's board.

AMD's Zen is a cost-sensitive design.
There are zero high-end chipsets, which drive up the PCI-E lanes and wider memory bus width.
It also splits the L3 cache between 4 cores, to save on money at the expense of performance.

Zen is also going to be behind on fabrication relative to Intel who still leads the industry by a long shot, that means it cannot have as many transistors or be as energy efficient.

Early leaked benchmarks shows that Zen's per-core performance on the ES is around a Core i5.
When all 8 Cores are pegged, it will fall between a Broadwell-E 6 and 8 core... However it will consume roughly the same amount of power as the 8-Core, meaning it will offer less performance per watt.

Intel is also set to drop Skylake-X and Kabylake-X on the new Socket 2066, which will give them a big leg-up against AMD.
Basically, AMD's Ryzen. Aka. Zen is going to make up lost-ground, not become the market leader.
The real test will be whether AMD can iterate fast enough to keep up with Intel's yearly cadence and not let Socket AM4 stagnate for years like they did with AM3+.

Don't make the same mistake people did with Phenom, Phenom 2 and Bulldozer as well as Polaris and assume AMD is going to retake the performance crown, they won't. - But they will make up lost ground.

Plenty of people are happy to have a PC and Console. (Like myself) as they don't see them as competing platforms, but rather platforms that supplement each other.

I will be buying Scorpio.

You don't need a 4k TV to see benefit of the games being run at a higher resolution.

There is more to graphics than just resolution as well.

The hardware for a PS5 likely won't be cost effective in 18 months time to make it a viable upgrade over the PS4 Pro and Scorpio.

It is the Codename. Not the real name.

Just like NX was the Codename for the switch and Neo was the Codename for the Playstation 4 Pro.

In a world where Steve Wozniak, and Fredrico Faggin are still alive I think it's hard to call Jim Keller even the smartest computer engineer alive. Let alone engineer.

And this is why the PS4 is probably looking at its best year this year.  And at the very least, tie with last year.  Games, games, games.  We're also going to be getting a $249 permenant cut, with a $199 BF SKU.  The Pro is also going to be dropping to $299-$349 by the time the $399-$449 Scorpio drops.  A system that will have all of its games available on PC. And by the end of this year/beginning of next year, we're are going to be hearing rumors about the PS5, something that is going to drastically affect the sales of the Scorpio.  Scorpio is just too late, and too expensive, to really affect anything.

Personally, I've been wanting to get a Pro.  However, with the PS5 most likely launching in 2019, with a much better CPU and 9-10 Tflops GPU and most likely B/C with the PS4, I think I'm just going to wait for that.