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Cloudman said:

I still feel you 2 are putting a much bigger importance on this one function that it would actually be. All those things mention on the things you could do with the switch: watching youtube videos, checking facebook, chatting with friends, and other reasons listed, are not really important for the switch to have. That is what a phone is for. People don't need 2 devices that can do this. The Switch will be for what it is designed to do best: play games where eve, whenever, and that's okay. I'm no no way trying to belittle the casual market or say they're not important. 3G/LTE just doesn't seem that necessary, when all the functionalities mentioned work just fine, and likely better on phones. Besides, are people really going to be using this device to be doing all those things anyways, especially when they have a phone? Probably not.


I don't think it's easy to conclude that PS4 and XBO are succeeding because they can do multiple functions in one device. I think it comes back to the games. They have more than enough games to appeal to the masses and Sony has done great with the marketing to find the device appealing. I mean, the device that was even promoted as an all-in-one device, the XBO, isn't selling as well as the PS4, which pushes the games. So yeah, if the Switch is at a good price, appealing games, and just overall look like a worthwhile item to own, it should be fine.

Also, with the addition of 3G/LTE possibly just draining the battery quicker or adding more cost to the device, due to possibly needing fees for a data plan or something, and it not possibly being that great of internet speed, doesn't seem that much of a risk to me to have it included either.

I completely understand that 3G/LTE, and comunicating via a console/handheld is a foreign idea. However, if it was included as an option, and marketed well, it could be looked at as a great alternative to a phone for some people. There was a point in time when communicating via your iPod was not the norm either. Including an always online option for Switch would only expand the potential of the device. Honestly, if it came down to $299.99 for a wifi Switch, and $399.99 for a LTE Switch, I would buy the LTE model every time, even if I don't plan to use it, I at least have the option in the future.

As for the expanded features of the PS4 and XBO doing some heavy lifting. I can not show proof, I really don't know how big of an effect it has. What I do know, is just based off of the couple hundered people I know with consoles, about 97% of them only have one because of those features. I 100% know that the lack of Phone capabilities is why only, my brother, one friend, and myself have Vita's, compaired to nearly every one of my friends and family members having owned the PSP.

In the end, it comes down to this. LTE gives the potential for massive growth. Without this, the chance that Nintendo gains back a large portion of thier userbase is very slim, if not impossible. As someone who loves consoles/handhelds, talks consoles/handhelds everywhere, understands the need for more casual audeince, and thrives for great selling points to be able to plant a seed in people head. The lack of this gives me nothing to work with. With iPhone when people said, yeah, but it's just an MP3 player, I could say, but it is also a phone, and offers e-mail, texting, and internet everywher = Buys and Spreads the word. When I talk Switch, people will say, but it's just a game device, ... .... yeah, that's it = No Sale.



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twintail said:
Cloudman said:

Honestly, the only reason I would see the Switch needing constant online would be the option to play online, and even then it's not really necessary. Sure, playing online anywhere would be cool, but it is just as fine to play single player games, or play coop with someone on it. Portables have been fine like this since the beginning, so I don't think it suddenly needs that to be a good system. Also, I don't think because many devices are getting internet access means that consoles need them as well. Perhaps it would be nice, but if it's more of a hinderance to the system, there I don't really see any need for it.

In what way would it possibly be a hindrance?

Times have changed. If something was fine the way it was in the beginning, then we wouldnt have tech advancement in the first place.

Consistent online presence wouldn't be only for online play. Watch YT clips, look at FB feeds, etc. Of course for specific ppl these things ar enot required (like myself) but that doesn't mean the option wouldn't be greatly appreciated by a more casual audience, who these days want devices that can be as all-in-one as possible as opposed to multiple devices that function as different things.

This is partly why mobile gaming is such a big thing: you have your phone for messaging functionality and it can play games. 1 device, with everything you need to keep you entertained when you need to be. Besides, we live in a Smart world now. Aircons, lamps, kettles, rice cookers, bed sheets even: Smart functionality is everywhere.

So yeah, I agree not having 3G LTE is not important for me, or for you specifically. That doesn't change that such a feature could be important for countless other people, where mobile hardware is almost synonomous with phones/ tablets: the  very market a handheld has to compete with. 

I completly forgot about the YouTube netflix stuff. Yeah this thing might have a harder time then at least in the west IMHP



KBG29 said:

Cloudman said:

I still feel you 2 are putting a much bigger importance on this one function that it would actually be. All those things mention on the things you could do with the switch: watching youtube videos, checking facebook, chatting with friends, and other reasons listed, are not really important for the switch to have. That is what a phone is for. People don't need 2 devices that can do this. The Switch will be for what it is designed to do best: play games where eve, whenever, and that's okay. I'm no no way trying to belittle the casual market or say they're not important. 3G/LTE just doesn't seem that necessary, when all the functionalities mentioned work just fine, and likely better on phones. Besides, are people really going to be using this device to be doing all those things anyways, especially when they have a phone? Probably not.


I don't think it's easy to conclude that PS4 and XBO are succeeding because they can do multiple functions in one device. I think it comes back to the games. They have more than enough games to appeal to the masses and Sony has done great with the marketing to find the device appealing. I mean, the device that was even promoted as an all-in-one device, the XBO, isn't selling as well as the PS4, which pushes the games. So yeah, if the Switch is at a good price, appealing games, and just overall look like a worthwhile item to own, it should be fine.

Also, with the addition of 3G/LTE possibly just draining the battery quicker or adding more cost to the device, due to possibly needing fees for a data plan or something, and it not possibly being that great of internet speed, doesn't seem that much of a risk to me to have it included either.

I completely understand that 3G/LTE, and comunicating via a console/handheld is a foreign idea. However, if it was included as an option, and marketed well, it could be looked at as a great alternative to a phone for some people. There was a point in time when communicating via your iPod was not the norm either. Including an always online option for Switch would only expand the potential of the device. Honestly, if it came down to $299.99 for a wifi Switch, and $399.99 for a LTE Switch, I would buy the LTE model every time, even if I don't plan to use it, I at least have the option in the future.

As for the expanded features of the PS4 and XBO doing some heavy lifting. I can not show proof, I really don't know how big of an effect it has. What I do know, is just based off of the couple hundered people I know with consoles, about 97% of them only have one because of those features. I 100% know that the lack of Phone capabilities is why only, my brother, one friend, and myself have Vita's, compaired to nearly every one of my friends and family members having owned the PSP.

In the end, it comes down to this. LTE gives the potential for massive growth. Without this, the chance that Nintendo gains back a large portion of thier userbase is very slim, if not impossible. As someone who loves consoles/handhelds, talks consoles/handhelds everywhere, understands the need for more casual audeince, and thrives for great selling points to be able to plant a seed in people head. The lack of this gives me nothing to work with. With iPhone when people said, yeah, but it's just an MP3 player, I could say, but it is also a phone, and offers e-mail, texting, and internet everywher = Buys and Spreads the word. When I talk Switch, people will say, but it's just a game device, ... .... yeah, that's it = No Sale.

Well, it's not that communicating via game devices is a foreign concept, but that it won't be a primary way to do so. I doubt any sort of device will be a replacement to a smartphone, aside from an updated one, and a game console I don't see being one of those things to do so. I also don't think a more expensive version of the Switch, especially at $399 is going to sell well.

As far as I know, the people I do know who have consoles use them primarily for games, with a few of them also using it for other apps, such as netflix, and I don't know anyone who owns a Vita. Everyone has and uses a phone though.

I won't discard the idea that LTE could be a benefit to consoles, but I'm still on the side that it's not really that important, and not one of the things to save portable gaming nor a contributing factor. Games are the primary purpose for buying them, with other apps being a nice addition to them, which allows people to get other sorts of entertainment aside from games. I don't see people doing it for other reasons besides games, though. I have a hard time believing that people thought of an iphone primarily for music and not as a phone. I think it's the opposite of that. It playing music is just one of the features of a smartphone, and smartphones are just the standard devices for communication, among many other things.



 

              

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Cloudman said:

I still feel you 2 are putting a much bigger importance on this one function that it would actually be. All those things mention on the things you could do with the switch: watching youtube videos, checking facebook, chatting with friends, and other reasons listed, are not really important for the switch to have. That is what a phone is for. People don't need 2 devices that can do this. The Switch will be for what it is designed to do best: play games where eve, whenever, and that's okay. I'm no no way trying to belittle the casual market or say they're not important. 3G/LTE just doesn't seem that necessary, when all the functionalities mentioned work just fine, and likely better on phones. Besides, are people really going to be using this device to be doing all those things anyways, especially when they have a phone? Probably not.

I don't think it's easy to conclude that PS4 and XBO are succeeding because they can do multiple functions in one device. I think it comes back to the games. They have more than enough games to appeal to the masses and Sony has done great with the marketing to find the device appealing. I mean, the device that was even promoted as an all-in-one device, the XBO, isn't selling as well as the PS4, which pushes the games. So yeah, if the Switch is at a good price, appealing games, and just overall look like a worthwhile item to own, it should be fine.

Also, with the addition of 3G/LTE possibly just draining the battery quicker or adding more cost to the device, due to possibly needing fees for a data plan or something, and it not possibly being that great of internet speed, doesn't seem that much of a risk to me to have it included either.

Perhaps. But a dedicated gaming machine is exactly what both the PSV and 3DS are. Guess what they have in common: massive decline in sales compared to their predecessors. It is actually why Switch will also function as a console, since being handheld only is pretty much a death sentence for it. Though being a console is for another discussion. Which is why you can't really compare it to both the PS4 and X1. Both are entertainment hubs, not just games consoles. X1 did poorly because of its price: it had the games early on to back it on par with the PS4.

It is easy to say that no 3G/ LTE is required when it affects only you. But Nintendo is not only selling this to you: they are selling it to as many ppl as possible. And maybe it will be perfectly fine the way it is. I don't doubt that. After all, my first comment in this thread was:

I think it will be interesting to see if the lack of 3/4G makes the devices less worthwhile for parents with young children. But otherwise, whats the problem? Doesn't really affect me though I guess it would be nice to have... 

But it at least explains why Nintendo are trying to market a handheld with TV out as a console device first. That is the market that will be more willing to buy the device. 



oniyide said:

I completly forgot about the YouTube netflix stuff. Yeah this thing might have a harder time then at least in the west IMHP

There are many types of users it will be hard to tell now. After all, we need the JAN event to truly give us an idea of the market scope for the device.

But I can see not having immediate access to YT etc on a mobile device as being a potential deterent to certain demographics.



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Good point there about the Battery! The rumors of having it around 3-4hours........ and if we have the 3G on............. Its better to surf on the web using your phone. Its probably more quicker and easier to watch YT and check FB on your phone as well.

And how the Switch is quite big.... you need to put it in your bag or something. While your phone can easily be carried and place in your pocket. Easy to get.



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