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LudicrousSpeed said:
Guitarguy said:

Respect for responding and owning up to(to an extent) but if its not a practice he likes, yet continues to participate in, does this still not make him a hypocrite to a degree?

No? If that's the game you gotta play, then you gotta play it. Furthermore we have no idea what deals MS has actually made with him at the helm.

The bottom line is timed exclusive content is a part of the industry now. He works in that industry, so he'll have to deal with it. Doesn't mean he has to like it.

If you say something is bad but then you do it anyway then you are a hypocrite. Actions will always speak louder than words; If I tell you smoking cigarettes is bad and that I hate them and I hate that people smoke them, but then I go and smoke one then what would that make me... 



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LudicrousSpeed said:

I guess he responded?


People getting worked up on this, Never said Xbox has never done this, not calling out others, just not practice I like, that's it"

I guess that about wraps up all the hypocrite BS.

"People getting worked up on this." Pretty much sums up here in this thread,



Proud to be a Californian.

aLkaLiNE said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

No? If that's the game you gotta play, then you gotta play it. Furthermore we have no idea what deals MS has actually made with him at the helm.

The bottom line is timed exclusive content is a part of the industry now. He works in that industry, so he'll have to deal with it. Doesn't mean he has to like it.

If you say something is bad but then you do it anyway then you are a hypocrite. Actions will always speak louder than words; If I tell you smoking cigarettes is bad and that I hate them and I hate that people smoke them, but then I go and smoke one then what would that make me... 

No need for such a dramatic example that is so out of touch with the reality of what he actually said.

He said he doesn't think the deals move the industry forward. He didn't say anything about Sony. He didn't say MS doesn't do them, has never done them, or won't do them in the future. He has even since provided further clarification to help people like yourself.

Nothing hypocritical about it :)



LudicrousSpeed said:
aLkaLiNE said:

If you say something is bad but then you do it anyway then you are a hypocrite. Actions will always speak louder than words; If I tell you smoking cigarettes is bad and that I hate them and I hate that people smoke them, but then I go and smoke one then what would that make me... 

No need for such a dramatic example that is so out of touch with the reality of what he actually said.

He said he doesn't think the deals move the industry forward. He didn't say anything about Sony. He didn't say MS doesn't do them, has never done them, or won't do them in the future. He has even since provided further clarification to help people like yourself.

Nothing hypocritical about it :)

How is that a dramatic example? I actually changed the example I was going to use to make it -not- seem dramatic.

And okay... So he says the deals don't move the industry forward... Does it anyway. He's either a hypocrite or an idiot for shooting himself in the foot by intentionally keeping the industry back. Your pick.

But people like me? Please, elaborate.



I like phil spencer, but from time to time he makes some pretty bad comments.



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aLkaLiNE said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

No need for such a dramatic example that is so out of touch with the reality of what he actually said.

He said he doesn't think the deals move the industry forward. He didn't say anything about Sony. He didn't say MS doesn't do them, has never done them, or won't do them in the future. He has even since provided further clarification to help people like yourself.

Nothing hypocritical about it :)

How is that a dramatic example? I actually changed the example I was going to use to make it -not- seem dramatic.

And okay... So he says the deals don't move the industry forward... Does it anyway. He's either a hypocrite or an idiot for shooting himself in the foot by intentionally keeping the industry back. Your pick.

But people like me? Please, elaborate.

Or he might feel he has to do them at one point or another because the competition does. Again, having to do something doesn't mean you have to like it or agree with it. Sometimes that's just business. Or maybe you're right and he's just a stupid idiot, lol.

By people like you I am simply saying people mistaken on what he is saying. You are applying too much emotion to it, hence your ridiculous smoker example. Either way neither of us are going to sway the other so enjoy the last word :)



aLkaLiNE said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

No need for such a dramatic example that is so out of touch with the reality of what he actually said.

He said he doesn't think the deals move the industry forward. He didn't say anything about Sony. He didn't say MS doesn't do them, has never done them, or won't do them in the future. He has even since provided further clarification to help people like yourself.

Nothing hypocritical about it :)

How is that a dramatic example? I actually changed the example I was going to use to make it -not- seem dramatic.

And okay... So he says the deals don't move the industry forward... Does it anyway. He's either a hypocrite or an idiot for shooting himself in the foot by intentionally keeping the industry back. Your pick.

But people like me? Please, elaborate.

Totally agree. He is a hypocrite.

"HEY GUYS I DON'T LIKE SELLING CAKE"

*Proceeds to sell cake regardless*

That's either a hypocrite or someone with no personal integrity and just cares about the paycheck.



If he is honest he would apologize , and make a new statement on the twitter that Xbox did the same thing. and will never ever do same thing from now on. and cancel all DLC , content exclusive including games exclusives, and pay all the exclusivity back to the gamer.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Guitarguy said:

Respect for responding and owning up to(to an extent) but if its not a practice he likes, yet continues to participate in, does this still not make him a hypocrite to a degree?

No? If that's the game you gotta play, then you gotta play it. Furthermore we have no idea what deals MS has actually made with him at the helm.

The bottom line is timed exclusive content is a part of the industry now. He works in that industry, so he'll have to deal with it. Doesn't mean he has to like it.

That is the textbook definition of hypocrisy. Phil Spencer is a person who acts in a way counter to his stated beliefs. 

Plus he's an industry leader. If he wants to effect change why not start in his own house. It's ridiculous that Spencer and Xbox (or anyone for that matter) get a free pass because "everyone is doing it."

I don't understand how this thread is still going.

Here are the facts. Xbox buys exclusive content from third parties to keep it away from the competition. Spencer tweeted decrying the practice. At best he's tone deaf and ineffective in steering Microsoft away from such practices. At worst he's a hypocrite who makes back-room deals and then moans about the competition doing the same thing.

I know there's a heated rivalry between Sony and Microsoft fans but you'd think we could all call a spade a spade every now and then, especially when the facts are so abundant and clear.



jason1637 said:
lionpetercarmoo said:

My one word comment sums up your whole argument.

Can you elaborate?

Dead Rising 4 timed exclusive deal was made when Phil was in charge.