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curl-6 on 22 December 2016
zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

DF isn't niche. Niche stuff doesn't get that many views.

Bullshit, I just saw a video of a fat guy with a shitty beard singing "All Star" by Smashmouth over an instrumental version of "Today" by Smashing Pumpkins..........it has 86k views in 5 hours.

100k views out of the billions of views Youtube gets in a day is niche.

By that logic, nearly everything is niche.

You're kidding yourselves if you think only "niche" gamers care about graphics.



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Frogger on 22 December 2016
curl-6 said:
spemanig said:

Of course it does. The Wii spoke for itself. The weakest PS1+2 spoke for themselves. They weren't shitty machines that happened to do well. They were good machines that took advantage of good marketing and good PR to get where they were. They didn't need to be the most powerful machines to be desired.

Wii was what? 20x weaker than PS3 or something? Compared to Switch being allegedly 1/3 an XBO at the weakest? It just has to get the games. If it get's multiplats, power won't matter to the mass market. People buy Apple devices at a premium knowing that Microsoft and Android devices have better hardware for less money. Why? More popular, more accessible, more convenient. (maybe not so much the last bit now, but I digress)

Nintendo just has to nail those three things. Power won't be a factor. Not to the mass market.

PS1 and PS2 were the most powerful consoles in the world when they launched, and remained power competitive even against rivals launching 1-2 years later. The Wii was a one-off.

PS1 and PS2 were the newest consoles when they launched, and got a ton of multiplats and purchases because they doubled as CD/DVD players. Wii's decline had little to do with power and everything to do with audience and control interface.



zorg1000 on 22 December 2016
curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

No, but like I said, a survey that doesnt quantify anything is pretty useless. If it was a survey of like 1000 people and over 3/4 of them are 18-24 year old males than that doesnt really respresent the market as a whole since every non 18-24 male is under represented.

PS4 trouncing XBO/Wii U is proof of nothing since both those devices had a plethora of other things going against them. Thats like me saying 3DS dominating Vita is proof that people love glasses free 3D. Correlation vs causation.

The "everybody would still be playing Atari or NES if power didnt matter" is one of the dumbest arguments ever because it completely takes things out of context.

Nobody is saying graphics should stop evolving, it means graphics are not the be all, end all of gaming.

I never said any of it was proof, but it's all evidence and you haven't offered any evidence that graphics aren't important.

Im not saying they arent important, im saying that you are giving graphics too much credit.

Heres my evidence, Gameboy vs Game Gear/Lynx, PS1 vs N64, PS2 vs GC/XB, GBA vs N-Gage, DS vs PSP, Wii vs 360/PS3, 3DS vs Vita. Multiple examples from the last 30 years where the weaker device not only won, but dominated.

Power didnt all of a sudden become the most important factor for the gaming market in the last 3 years.



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SonytendoAmiibo on 22 December 2016
spurgeonryan said:
Never really understood what was up with this thread. OP upset that it's weaker now?

 

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Frogger on 22 December 2016
curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

Bullshit, I just saw a video of a fat guy with a shitty beard singing "All Star" by Smashmouth over an instrumental version of "Today" by Smashing Pumpkins..........it has 86k views in 5 hours.

100k views out of the billions of views Youtube gets in a day is niche.

By that logic, nearly everything is niche.

You're kidding yourselves if you think only "niche" gamers care about graphics.

That's not far from the truth. The whole reason social media platforms like Youtube as a whole thrive is because they provide an ecosystem where niche content like that can thrive. It's how media is consumed now.



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zorg1000 on 22 December 2016
curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

Bullshit, I just saw a video of a fat guy with a shitty beard singing "All Star" by Smashmouth over an instrumental version of "Today" by Smashing Pumpkins..........it has 86k views in 5 hours.

100k views out of the billions of views Youtube gets in a day is niche.

By that logic, nearly everything is niche.

You're kidding yourselves if you think only "niche" gamers care about graphics.

Like I said, there has been roughly 165 million units of hardware (3DS/Vita/XBO/PS4/Wii U) sold so far this generation, when factoring in people who own multiple devices or bought multiple versions of a single device, lets say the number is 100 million individual owners (probably higher).

100k views for a market that has 100 million owners, thats 0.1% of the handheld/console gaming population that saw the video. Now if we add in PC gamers and smartphone/tablet gamers, thats over 1 billion people so less than 0.001% of the overall gaming population that saw the video.

Digital Foundry is niche and that video has had very little effect on people opinion of Switch.



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AngryLittleAlchemist on 22 December 2016

What thing I will say is...I wonder if diminishing returns will make the Switch even more powerful to the average consumer. Despite being a PC gamer and really paying attention to new technology...I HONESTLY though the Wii U was only about 2x weaker than a Ps4. I didn't know the difference was so massive. So if the Switch is 4x more powrful than the Wii U docked and it's easier to develop for ... even with a worse resolution it might still be acceptable. Hell I honestly don't think the 4k thing is going to make that much of a splash on current gen consoles, I see that more so on the 9th gen Sony and Microsoft consoles.



curl-6 on 22 December 2016
zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

I never said any of it was proof, but it's all evidence and you haven't offered any evidence that graphics aren't important.

Im not saying they arent important, im saying that you are giving graphics too much credit.

Heres my evidence, Gameboy vs Game Gear/Lynx, PS1 vs N64, PS2 vs GC/XB, GBA vs N-Gage, DS vs PSP, Wii vs 360/PS3, 3DS vs Vita. Multiple examples from the last 30 years where the weaker device not only won, but dominated.

Power didnt all of a sudden become the most important factor for the gaming market in the last 3 years.

PS1 and PS2 were the most powerful consoles in the world when they came out and were still power-competitive with later rivals like N64 and GCN. On the other side of the coin we have the SNES beating the weaker Genesis and both beating the weaker Turbografx-16, PS1 and N64 both beating the weaker Saturn, PS2/GCN/Xbox all beating the weaker Dreamcast, 

In the end, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. Thanks for the discussion and cheers for keeping it respectful.

 

spemanig said:
curl-6 said:

PS1 and PS2 were the most powerful consoles in the world when they launched, and remained power competitive even against rivals launching 1-2 years later. The Wii was a one-off.

PS1 and PS2 were the newest consoles when they launched, and got a ton of multiplats and purchases because they doubled as CD/DVD players. Wii's decline had little to do with power and everything to do with audience and control interface.

PS1 and PS2 weren't really "underpowered" systems though; in 1994/2000 when they came out, they were powerhouses, beating anything else on the market. And Wii was lightning in a bottle; Wii U tried the same trick of being a generation behind graphically, and it was a disaster.



Frogger on 22 December 2016
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

This is a good point , and I honestly think that the Switch probably will get decent ports if they run at 720p on tvs. Hell some might even be 1080 depending on how well the software aspect of the system makes it easy to develop for. 

I just wish we were getting a slightly better deal for the money, although I guess if you want that you should just build a PC yourself but whatever. 

I like the hardware, so I don't care how inferior the specs are. As long as it gets the multiplats. Unless there's a version that runs at 60fps on the PS4/XBO, I'm getting the Switch version for the flexability. If the 4G LTE rumor is true, and I can play online games one the road or at work without connecting to faulty Wifi, it will be way worth the trade off in prettiness. Superior convenience will outweigh inferior specs for me.



AngryLittleAlchemist on 22 December 2016
spemanig said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

This is a good point , and I honestly think that the Switch probably will get decent ports if they run at 720p on tvs. Hell some might even be 1080 depending on how well the software aspect of the system makes it easy to develop for. 

I just wish we were getting a slightly better deal for the money, although I guess if you want that you should just build a PC yourself but whatever. 

I like the hardware, so I don't care how inferior the specs are. As long as it gets the multiplats. Unless there's a version that runs at 60fps on the PS4/XBO, I'm getting the Switch version for the flexability. If the 4G LTE rumor is true, and I can play online games one the road or at work without connecting to faulty Wifi, it will be way worth the trade off in prettiness. Superior convenience will outweigh inferior specs for me.

I agree. Understand that I have a PC and PS4, so for me personally, exclusives are much more important. I just think *most* gamers  could get a better value from this even at the same price range, hence why i'm complaining. It's always important to push a pro-consumer point. 

I also have to say that being 4x more powerful than Wii U is great docked, I'm a bit disappointed that it's only a little more powerful undocked BECAUSE it means Nintendo might use the same graphics from their other games for another generation. It means we get another generation of games that look similiar to  Wii U games. And don't get me wrong, Wii U games look pretty good,  but I think it would be cool to see Nintendo push their art and graphics even more. 

 

This just puts more possiblity behind the idea that the Mario Kart and Splatoon games showed are actual sequels(something I'm hoping for).