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spemanig said:

The Switch will absolutely die in the West if it banks mostly on handheld-exclusice franchises. The west doesn't care about handheld franchises. 

Considering that 3DS+Vita will have sold over 50 million in the west, I would say you are giving quite the exaggeration.



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Goodnightmoon said:
curl-6 said:

PC versions do that because it's standard and expected on the platform. On Switch the template may become simply "run at 720p when undocked, and 1080p when docked", as that would be easier and require less work.

That doesn't mean it can't be done and it doesn't look like a lot of work at all, if was a lot of work then not even the lazy PC ports would have it and they do. I'm sure we'll have games with more differences than only resolution even if they only come from Nintendo, because it can be done.

PCs have to have a wide range of settings so it can run on a wide range of machines.

On Switch, there are only two modes. The method that will require the least amount of work (and hence the one most devs will likely take) is to optimize for the handheld mode, then use the dock overclock to up the resolution.



bunchanumbers said:
superchunk said:

You can't compare one-day xmas sale prices to the norm. Hell, 3DS was $99 on black friday but it sales for $140 regular.

Normal prices for base PS4/XBO is $299 with a pack-in.

NS with nothing will likely be $249.

NS bundles with games will likely be around $279~$299.

Considering NS also throws in

- portability
- insane local multiplayer options
- insane controller configurations
- nintendo 1st party games
- all typical portable exclusives

Then you will get the yearly / common 3rd party titles such as madden, fifa, cod, etc.

Facts are

NS is the most powerful portable console to ever hit the market that has any viability to succeed. Its more powerful than a Wii U. Yes, WiiU has more GFs, but not all flops are equal and in this case NS in portable mode is definitely more powerful than WiiU. NS has a better CPU, better/faster RAM and a more capable GPU. Then the NS becomes a home console and gives you a great experience on your big TV.

At $250 this is #DayOne!

Doesn't matter. Performance wise it is weak. I mean historically weak for a new machine at launch. If rumors are to be believed its using a massively underclocked version of outdated hardware. Even Wii U was a bigger jump from Wii. This is like a slap in the face of all Nintendo fans. The fact that it could end up costing as much as hardware that is many times more powerful than it is a even bigger slap in the face handheld or not.

You see a slap in the face everywhere, like really, is just annoying at this point, if Nintendo make you suffer so much then forget about them already, they are trying to make an appealing and coherent device for the mass public, they are not here to take care of your insecurities and your feeling of entitlement, they don't owe you a more powerful device, is their idea, they think this is the best way to go, that's not a slap to anyone, if you don't like it don't buy it, jeez.



Shadow1980 said:
So, it's got a better CPU than the Wii U, but the GPU is about the same power as the Wii U's when docked and half as powerful when used as a portable.

Is that about the gist of it?

The console probably outperforms WiiU when undocked already.



Shadow1980 said:
So, it's got a better CPU than the Wii U, but the GPU is about the same power as the Wii U's when docked and half as powerful when used as a portable.

Is that about the gist of it?

No, it has a better CPU, over 3x as much RAM and the GPU is roughly on par with Wii U when undocked and about 2x when docked (if only looking at pure numbers which doesnt tell the whole story).



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zorg1000 said:
Shadow1980 said:
So, it's got a better CPU than the Wii U, but the GPU is about the same power as the Wii U's when docked and half as powerful when used as a portable.

Is that about the gist of it?

No, it has a better CPU, over 3x as much RAM

We don't know yet how much RAM is actually available for games though.



Not super impressed with this news as I just don't see how the Switch will be able to play third party games developed for XOne without massive visual downgrade. Third party developers are not going to develop for a system that requires them to butcher their games visually unless it has a Wii-like user base which the Switch will not have. I see third party developers skipping the Switch which will put Nintendo in a very difficult position again.

Nintendo had better hope that the handheld aspect of the Switch takes off because that's probably the only way that this thing will sell units.



Goodnightmoon said:
bunchanumbers said:

Doesn't matter. Performance wise it is weak. I mean historically weak for a new machine at launch. If rumors are to be believed its using a massively underclocked version of outdated hardware. Even Wii U was a bigger jump from Wii. This is like a slap in the face of all Nintendo fans. The fact that it could end up costing as much as hardware that is many times more powerful than it is a even bigger slap in the face handheld or not.

You see a slap in the face everywhere, like really, is just annoying at this point, if Nintendo make you suffer so much then forget about them already, they are trying to make an appealing and coherent device for the mass public, they are not here to take care of your insecurities and your feeling of entitlement, they don't owe you a more powerful device, is their idea, they think this is the best way to go, that's not a slap to anyone, if you don't like it don't buy it, jeez.

I don't really think you can call it a appealing and coherent device. Its a tablet. Its a tablet in a sea of tablets. They are already competing with themselves thanks to them releasing games on mobile. This strategy isn't a coherent one. And I have no idea how you can call a massively underclocked Tegra X1 appealing.

And you're right. They don't owe me anything. I guess the joke was on me for buying every Nintendo console since the NES. I'm not entitled to anything for giving them thousands of dollars over decades. I'll have to see if they make another machine or if they go full mobile after Switch.



zorg1000 said:
spemanig said:

The Switch will absolutely die in the West if it banks mostly on handheld-exclusice franchises. The west doesn't care about handheld franchises. 

Considering that 3DS+Vita will have sold over 50 million in the west, I would say you are giving quite the exaggeration.

50m for a combined two platforms in the most lucrative market in gaming over the course of almost 6 years is textbook abysmal.

But out of curiosity - how did PS360 do in the west over the course of 6 years?



curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

No, it has a better CPU, over 3x as much RAM

We don't know yet how much RAM is actually available for games though.

Im just going off the most recent rumors which says 3.2gb for games.



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