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zorg1000 on 17 December 2016
BasilZero said:
zorg1000 said:

Not sure what Wii U sales & lack of replacement gamepads have to do with Switch........what about the Switch concept don't you like?

 

Making the tablet portion propietary - they will end up doing it like you would need the WiiU Gamepad for most of the controls in certain games which will of course turn off a lot of devs from making games/ports of their games whether they be late ports or simultaneous releases.


The thing I got pissed off the most with the WiiU (despite hating the controller design)  - is the fact that if your gamepad for whatever reason got damaged or stopped working, your only solution would be to ship it to Nintendo for a replacement or repair - you cant just buy a replacement from the store which irked me a lot. Its like Nintendo themselves didnt have faith in their system, if so, how can you have faith in a successor that will have a somewhat similar controller design?

 

Edit: Pretaining to other knock-offs - I dont want to see another disaster like the PSMove or Kinect - where they were trying to mimick the motion control success from the Wiimote ~.~. 

The tablet idea is oversaturated - motion controls were one thing but the market already has enough tablet type devices for various needs, I wont be surprised if the Switch ends up like the WiiU in that regards.

While it sucks that you couldnt just walk in and buy a replacement gamepad, think of it this way, how many uninformed people do you think would buy the gamepad thinking it worked on their original Wii or could use 2 or more gamepads at once on their Wii U? Probably quite a few and there would have been constant negativity about it.

But like I said, I don't really see how that pertains to Switch, where the actual hardware is in the tablet so if it breaks you will be able to go into a store and buy a new one.

As for developers making the tablet required for certain games, that will not happen, im pretty sure all games will be required to be accessible on the tablet or on the TV and you cant use the tablet while playing on the TV since it needs to be docked.

The critisms you gave for Switch really arent actual issues because you made them up.



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onionberry on 17 December 2016
BasilZero said:
onionberry said:
Lol "horrible concept" thank god some users are not console engineers.

 

Thank God for the WiiU selling 130 mil amirite!?

 

Oh wait...one too many 0's.

 

You dont need to be a console engineer to know if your idea is gonna be a bad one or a good one. The fact that you couldnt even buy replacements for the WiiU Gamepad was proof enough that the idea was a doomed one.

 

Hopefully Nintendo will have extras sold separately but I wouldnt be surprised if they dont.


There's a reason why devs and even majority of gaming consumers prefer normal controllers over gimmick controllers.

  Gamers should know how difficult is to create a concept or to bring a new concept for a mass market, sometimes it works(wii, ds), sometimes don't(wii u, virtual boy). But all they do is complain when a company tries to do something out of the box. Let's call different functions a "gimmick" and let's not try new things, every console should be a ps4... great idea! Nope. Even if the ps4 is selling a lot I appreciate that Nintento is trying to make something different and not a clone because as a consumer I have more options.

 And btw I don't see any unnecesary "gimmick" on the switch, the concept is very clear, hybrid console that you can play on the go and in your home, easy to understand if you don't feel the need to complain for whatever reason, different controllers but all of them work the same way, joycon or pro controllers, the same functions.  I Have a ps4 and a pc, now why in the world would I want to buy a console that does the same shit??? options is really good for the industry.



Ganoncrotch on 17 December 2016
BasilZero said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Its the systems video output though, would obviously have tech inside it which would need to be reverse engineered for there to be 3rd party replacements, would be like saying that Sony and Microsoft should have allowed 3rd parties replace the HDMI port on the ps4/X1 with something else, it's a part of a closed system, and again here, it isn't related to the Switch other than the N branding on the front.

If you mean "I don't trust Nintendo as a company because of the mishandling of the Wii-U" then that's understandable, they handled the system really poorly from conception to it being discontinued, agree with you completely there.

But I am pretty confident in Nintendo making a new start on Consoles with the switch and think they're going to be trying to move on from the Wii-U in as many ways as possible, the delayed launch to insure no software shortages is a great first step as long as they achieve it correctly.

All I can say Basil is have faith in them, they've been around for over 100 years :)

 

I'm still getting the system despite how bad it may do (I need my daily dose of Mario, DK, Kirby, Zelda, and Pokemon , etc yo :3)

 

I just hope the Switch ends up better than the WiiU in all aspects.

Here is a sad thought.... It can't do much worse can it? :D



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onionberry on 17 December 2016
BasilZero said:
onionberry said:

  Gamers should know how difficult is to create a concept or to bring a new concept for a mass market, sometimes it works(wii, ds), sometimes don't(wii u, virtual boy). But all they do is complain when a company tries to do something out of the box. Let's call different functions a "gimmick" and let's not try new things, every console should be a ps4... great idea! Nope. Even if the ps4 is selling a lot I appreciate that Nintento is trying to make something different and not a clone because as a consumer I have more options.

 And btw I don't see any unnecesary "gimmick" on the switch, the concept is very clear, hybrid console that you can play on the go and in your home, easy to understand if you don't feel the need to complain for whatever reason, different controllers but all of them work the same way, joycon or pro controllers, the same functions.  I Have a ps4 and a pc, now why in the world would I want to buy a console that does the same shit??? options is really good for the industry.

 

The thing is, they arent doing something out of the box, they are doing something that exists in one form or another.

 

@Bolded/italic/underlined - if that is the reason why you buy different game systems, then you are doing it wrong. People buy different game systems to play different games - case in point first party games. No two systems/platforms are the same, options are great for the industry, but not for the reason you are arguing for.

But that's another thing that bothers me, "it's not different, already exist!" well yeah, it's about the implementation. I can use the same excuse for a normal console, sony and xbox are not original cause well, it's a console! already exists! but I don't say that because that's just dumb,

blue ocean means a market that is not dominated by the "competition" and that's Nintendo's strategy. Since a lot of companies have been trying with the hybrid model, but none of them have great success or any success at all, that makes total sense for Nintendo because they are one of the biggest gaming companies and their handheld market is their best market. So why would they compete directly with the other two biggest console manufacturers doing the same thing if they can have a market for their own? Cause even if the Switch is not a "new" or "original" idea, it's different from the other two big players, and from a business point of view it makes sense because sony and ms are dominating the "normal" console market. Plus the fact that I can play a console quality game on a handheld, and then continue on the tv seamlessly, that's just too good and I don't know why  gamers would complain about that, but that's just my personal opinion.



chakkra on 17 December 2016
BasilZero said:
onionberry said:

  Gamers should know how difficult is to create a concept or to bring a new concept for a mass market, sometimes it works(wii, ds), sometimes don't(wii u, virtual boy). But all they do is complain when a company tries to do something out of the box. Let's call different functions a "gimmick" and let's not try new things, every console should be a ps4... great idea! Nope. Even if the ps4 is selling a lot I appreciate that Nintento is trying to make something different and not a clone because as a consumer I have more options.

 And btw I don't see any unnecesary "gimmick" on the switch, the concept is very clear, hybrid console that you can play on the go and in your home, easy to understand if you don't feel the need to complain for whatever reason, different controllers but all of them work the same way, joycon or pro controllers, the same functions.  I Have a ps4 and a pc, now why in the world would I want to buy a console that does the same shit??? options is really good for the industry.

 

The thing is, they arent doing something out of the box, they are doing something that exists in one form or another.

 

@Bolded/italic/underlined - if that is the reason why you buy different game systems, then you are doing it wrong. People buy different game systems to play different games - case in point first party games. No two systems/platforms are the same, options are great for the industry, but not for the reason you are arguing for.

Totally agree with you there.  Whatever "new concept" or ''new ways of playing" Nintendo can come up with, can easily be copied within the first year by any of the other companies.  But copying the games is a much harder task.



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zorg1000 on 17 December 2016
BasilZero said:
zorg1000 said:

The critisms you gave for Switch really arent actual issues because you made them up.

 

Of course they are assumptions because everything up to now is pretty much an assumption no matter who makes a comment.

 

I just hope those criticisms dont really apply to the Switch because they did for the WiiU :P.

The criticisms you gave do not and cannot apply to Switch, not being able to buy a new tablet when the TABLET IS THE SYSTEM is impossible.

Making games exclusive to one specific form factor makes no sense when the whole concept of the system is to be able to play any way you choose.

Like Ganoncrotch said, it is understandable to be skeptical for various reasons but the reasons you gave dont make sense.



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bunchanumbers on 17 December 2016

Gaming is expensive. Making a gaming tablet is more expensive. Not to mention supporting said tablet. I doubt that people will be trying to do a knock off of a knock off. Switch isn't new and has been done before.