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CGI-Quality said:
Barkley said:

When it comes to free trials your payment details are a means of identification. If they didn't require them on your account people would just create new accounts over and over and have unlimited netflix/PS+ etc.

Nope, there are ways to prevent that without credit card info. For example, IP checks , and preventing attempts with the same email. But my view goes beyond that. If one gets slack for it, others should as well. Making this seem like a Microsoft-only problem is silly.

I'm not arguing your final sentence, but IP checks/email checks are definitely not sufficient. It's not difficult to just use a different email address and a proxy.

Hell my IP address changes everytime my router turns off, IP checks aren't sufficient.



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CGI-Quality said:

There are ways to protect a product other than asking for credit card info. In 2005-6, I would have agreed 100% with you, but in nearing 2017, there are other ways to do it.

Whether they choose to do that or not is another matter, because as a business, it's easier, in their minds, to just request the info. Doesn't means it's the only, nor most efficient, way.

Such as? I can't think of any way, other than making you upload a scan of your passport, which is even more bothersome. Even having to register and confirm a mobile number, you can just send off for multiple free sim cards and still get unlimited netflix for free.

 

CGI-Quality said:

And my main point is still unaddressed - why should Microsoft receive the most lashings for this?

Eh, you have to add payment information to download a completely free product, there's nothing that needs to be protected there. Personally I don't give a damn, but OP does I guess.



CGI-Quality said:
Barkley said:

Such as? I can't think of any way, other than making you upload a scan of your passport, which is even more bothersome. Even having to register and confirm a mobile number, you can just send off for multiple free sim cards and still get unlimited netflix for free.

I already named ways. You didn't agree, but that doesn't eliminate them.

The ways you mentioned were completely inviable, and very easy to work around. They're eliminated as viable business choices. :P



CGI-Quality said:
Barkley said:

The ways you mentioned were completely inviable, and very easy to work around. They're eliminated as viable business choices. :P

You'll just have to agree to disagree, because they can't be eliminated, as others use those means. But, you continue to dodge my main question: 

Why is Microsoft receiving the bulk of the hate from this?

I answered that in a previous post, the reason it wasn't quoted there originally was because it wasn't in your post originally, you edited in on after. I edited the post to answer it, not dodging anything!

I would like to know those services that offer free trials just with email/ip checks however, so I can exploit the hell out of them! Any service that relies on those two checks can be exploited by following a simple two step guide found on google, that's why it doesn't happen.

Step 1: install X extension on your browser.

Step 2: Create new email.

Step 3: Sign up for trial.

Rinse and repeat every month.



CGI-Quality said:

It was only edited in once (I asked you three times). Could be a simple misunderstanding, there, so we'll move along...

I think you're getting confused, the first time you mentioned it to me was a post that ended in.

"Making this seem like a Microsoft-only problem is silly."

My post in reply to that was "I'm not arguing with your final sentence."

We've never disagreed on that point, the one and only point I was trying to make over these past few posts is why payment information is necessary for free trial services such as netflix. Which really has nothing to do with the situation the topic is about anyway. You were drumming me to offer an explanation for something I never agreed with or claimed to agree on. xD

In my eyes it's not even a problem, I have no issue with entering my details online.



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tisk, tisk, tisk....It must be karma, being portioned out by the cosmos. ;)



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CGI-Quality said:

Because your original quote to me missed my point. From the very beginning, the issue was whether or not Microsoft should receive such a lashing for this situation (my response to Slimebeast). Everything else was inconsequential to that point. 

So the answer to my question is, actually, no direct reply to it (at elast not in here) - they have no reason to be hounded in such a way and the "Goddammit Microsoft" seems to come from a previous issue with the company.

My original quote was just to make out that Netflix or Hulu free trial isn't comparable to a completely free product, there's something there to be protected, something that can be exploited. I wasn't disagreeing with any point you were making, just disagreeing with the examples you provided.

As for the OP's reason for the "Goddammit Microsoft", he clearly has issues with enterring personal information online for some reason, if he has such a big issue with doing that, and hasn't had to do it for other games systems, then fair enough.



Azuren said:
d21lewis said:
PSN is the same, right? I tried to get a free game a while back and it said that there last time I logged in was on a different PS3 and that I needed to re-enter my credit card info.

You don't need any information for free downloads, no.

Maybe it's "case by case". I lost my wallet back in April canceled my card. I couldn't get my PS+ games without adding my new credit card. I think I waited too long procrastinating and never got them. 

I was also logged into XBL last night along with my wife when we saw Burnout and Outlast for free. We tried to download them with her profile and it said she didn't have a valid payment method on file. We switched to mine and it worked fine. 

 

Not a dealbreaker for anybody (except the op) and if it's an advantage, it's in favor of Sony. I can only report what I see personally.



d21lewis said:
Azuren said:

You don't need any information for free downloads, no.

Maybe it's "case by case". I lost my wallet back in April canceled my card. I couldn't get my PS+ games without adding my new credit card. I think I waited too long procrastinating and never got them.

PS+ games are a different case as they're tied to a subscription service, I assume Azuren is referring to items that are free for everyone.



I just checked on psn with my kids psn account. You cannot start a free demo on a secondary ps4 that was downloaded by someone else, which is kinda fucked up in its own way. However it sends you to the store, you press 'purchase', which gives the cannot download error, content is already installed, and now you can play it. No payment details needed (just a psn account) You don't need payment info either to download free to play or any other free stuff.

So why single out MS, cause the competition doesn't require it? The WiiU never asked me for payment details either to download my freebies.