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Wow. Game Over Nintendo, game over. Not buying. :(



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torok said:
Miyamotoo said:

$175!? Really!?

There is no single change that Switch will have that price, people from some reason forgetting that New 3DS XL is still selling solid at price of $199, Switch will most likely have price point of $249/299 like rumours are saying.

I don't think they will do it, but they surelly can. A Shield tablet costs 199 bucks. 

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They are basically repackaging the Shield tablet.

The Shield Tablet has a Tegra K1 chip not the more powerful X1.



torok said:
Miyamotoo said:

$175!? Really!?

There is no single change that Switch will have that price, people from some reason forgetting that New 3DS XL is still selling solid at price of $199, Switch will most likely have price point of $249/299 like rumours are saying.

I don't think they will do it, but they surelly can. A Shield tablet costs 199 bucks. It's sold at a larger profit margin than consoles (since it has to break even without any game) and packs a more expensive 1080p screen. The Tegra X1 is a 2 year-old tech. If they plan to rip peoples wallet and be greedy with a 300 bucks pricing, they are preparing a new Wii U.

US$ 200 with a really good profit is possible. 50 bucks more for the versin that packs a dock. 175 if they are trying to make a big noise. Why would this cost 250 to 300? It uses an outdated SoC, relatively low resolution screen, simple construction. Do they need a 60 bucks profit margin per unit? At that price point, this would flop hard.

We don't know what other techs/possibilities Nintendo packed in Switch (just look new Switch patent thread), with Switch you also have Switch Dock and Switch Grip with Joy Cons, we have basically real home console and real handheld in one that can be played in local multiplayer out of box.

All that at price point of $249 is great price, and will have very good sales, not bad sales. Like I wrote, New 3DS XL is still selling solid at price point of $199, this is just $50 more and offers much more and it's much more capable in every case.

 

setsunatenshi said:
Miyamotoo said:

Offcourse there isnt, but Switch is using custom Tegra chip, maybe Nvidia made them 16nm Maxwell Tegra chip.

Even Tegra Maxwell is very new and modern tech/hardware with support for all modern engines and techs, so evre PS4/XB1 port could be done for Switch, so fact that Switch is less powerfule than PS4 doesnt means that Switch want have multiplatform titles.

Sure it will have some multiplatform titles, the same way there are some titles that are crossplay between the PS4 and the Vita. Meaning, smaller, less resource intensive games. Don't expect any major AAA crossover though, especially not going forward when even the vanilla PS4 starts chugging a bit on newer titles compared to the Pro version.

That is something I totally expected though since there was this notion of the so called NX being a 'hybrid' console. I suspect it will be a really cool portable though.

I am pretty sure evre PS4 port could run on Switch at 720p resolution, 540p in portable mode and 720p in docked mode. If actual Switch is popular and have good sales, I am pretty sure we will more AAA ports on Switch. PS4 will be same time on market like PS4 Pro, Pro isn't successor to base PS4, it's just a stronger version on first place for 4k users.



Miyamotoo said:

we have basically real home console and real handheld in one

I love it when you say that, it's like your catch phrase now I think.



Miyamotoo said:
torok said:

I don't think they will do it, but they surelly can. A Shield tablet costs 199 bucks. It's sold at a larger profit margin than consoles (since it has to break even without any game) and packs a more expensive 1080p screen. The Tegra X1 is a 2 year-old tech. If they plan to rip peoples wallet and be greedy with a 300 bucks pricing, they are preparing a new Wii U.

US$ 200 with a really good profit is possible. 50 bucks more for the versin that packs a dock. 175 if they are trying to make a big noise. Why would this cost 250 to 300? It uses an outdated SoC, relatively low resolution screen, simple construction. Do they need a 60 bucks profit margin per unit? At that price point, this would flop hard.

We don't know what other techs/possibilities Nintendo packed in Switch (just look new Switch patent thread), with Switch you also have Switch Dock and Switch Grip with Joy Cons, we have basically real home console and real handheld in one that can be played in local multiplayer out of box.

All that at price point of $249 is great price, and will have very good sales, not bad sales. Like I wrote, New 3DS XL is still selling solid at price point of $199, this is just $50 more and offers much more and it's much more capable in every case.

 

setsunatenshi said:

Sure it will have some multiplatform titles, the same way there are some titles that are crossplay between the PS4 and the Vita. Meaning, smaller, less resource intensive games. Don't expect any major AAA crossover though, especially not going forward when even the vanilla PS4 starts chugging a bit on newer titles compared to the Pro version.

That is something I totally expected though since there was this notion of the so called NX being a 'hybrid' console. I suspect it will be a really cool portable though.

I am pretty sure evre PS4 port could run on Switch at 720p resolution, 540p in portable mode and 720p in docked mode. If actual Switch is popular and have good sales, I am pretty sure we will more AAA ports on Switch. PS4 will be same time on market like PS4 Pro, Pro isn't successor to base PS4, it's just a stronger version on first place for 4k users.

Things aren't scalable like that, it's not even the same architecture. PS4 is X86 and the Switch is ARM. The coding itself would need to be rewritten completely for a game to work on the Switch.

Also there are plenty of games that are 1080p on PS4, 720p on Xbox 1... how well do you think this same game would run on the switch?

Have a look at how The Last Guardian or FFXV are running on both the PS4 vanilla and Pro. And as you said, it's not a successor, just a more powerful console under the same x86 architecture. Imagine how any of those games would play on the Switch? Exactly... they wouldn't. Nor should they, because the Switch is way too underpowered to handle such games. Even worse for open world games where you are usually CPU bottlenecked.

But hey... prove me wrong Nintendo. I'll love it if you do :)



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Captain_Yuri said:

I would agree with you with FP16 but then in the full sentence he states

"To give you a sense, we expect the Nintendo Switch to be more than 1 teraflop in performance, but far less than the 6 teraflops that Microsoft is promising for Scorpio. The PS4 is around 1.8 teraflops, and it has much better memory bandwidth performance as well compared to the Switch."

So since he is comparing it to Scorpio and ps4 at FP32... I can't give him the benefit of doubt.

Which only proves the author is full of shit. Keep in mind this is the same site that pushed hard that this was an AMD sytem not Nvidia. There is so much fallacy in that article that it highly suggests he maybe got one nugget of real info and tossed in a bunch of other crap pulled out of his incorrect ass.

No credible, proven to be correct over and over again thus far, source that has stated NS is greater in power than Xbox One let alone reaching PS4. NS is definitely around 500 to 800 GF at FP32.



setsunatenshi said:
Miyamotoo said:

We don't know what other techs/possibilities Nintendo packed in Switch (just look new Switch patent thread), with Switch you also have Switch Dock and Switch Grip with Joy Cons, we have basically real home console and real handheld in one that can be played in local multiplayer out of box.

All that at price point of $249 is great price, and will have very good sales, not bad sales. Like I wrote, New 3DS XL is still selling solid at price point of $199, this is just $50 more and offers much more and it's much more capable in every case.

 

I am pretty sure evre PS4 port could run on Switch at 720p resolution, 540p in portable mode and 720p in docked mode. If actual Switch is popular and have good sales, I am pretty sure we will more AAA ports on Switch. PS4 will be same time on market like PS4 Pro, Pro isn't successor to base PS4, it's just a stronger version on first place for 4k users.

Things aren't scalable like that, it's not even the same architecture. PS4 is X86 and the Switch is ARM. The coding itself would need to be rewritten completely for a game to work on the Switch.

Also there are plenty of games that are 1080p on PS4, 720p on Xbox 1... how well do you think this same game would run on the switch?

Have a look at how The Last Guardian or FFXV are running on both the PS4 vanilla and Pro. And as you said, it's not a successor, just a more powerful console under the same x86 architecture. Imagine how any of those games would play on the Switch? Exactly... they wouldn't. Nor should they, because the Switch is way too underpowered to handle such games. Even worse for open world games where you are usually CPU bottlenecked.

But hey... prove me wrong Nintendo. I'll love it if you do :)

It's not scalable like that, but they can port same PS4 game to run on Switche at 720p for instance, offcourse they will not work some PS4 from ground in order to work on Switch.

Over 90% of PS4 games are 1080p, so I really don't see problem for those games, other games could have some other lower graphical settings outside resolution.

Of Course that FFXV could run on Switch also if SQ decide to port game to Switch. Switch is underpowered to handle FFXV at 1080p and exactly same graphical setting, it capable to handle it at 720p and maybe some lower graphical settings.

Evre multiplatform game will be port of XB1/PS4 games of course.



Welcome back to reality guys!



Barkley said:

The Shield Tablet has a Tegra K1 chip not the more powerful X1.

You are correct. The Shield tablet launched at 300 bucks just a bit after the Tegra K1 was launched. So it was top-notch tech by then. It was relaunched a year latter, with a 199 price point. As Switch will pack the X1 and it is already 1 year old tech right now, I think we can assume that it is in a similar pricing as the older SoC was in 2015. So I still think Nintendo could go for 199.

Miyamotoo said:

We don't know what other techs/possibilities Nintendo packed in Switch (just look new Switch patent thread), with Switch you also have Switch Dock and Switch Grip with Joy Cons, we have basically real home console and real handheld in one that can be played in local multiplayer out of box.

All that at price point of $249 is great price, and will have very good sales, not bad sales. Like I wrote, New 3DS XL is still selling solid at price point of $199, this is just $50 more and offers much more and it's much more capable in every case.

I am pretty sure evre PS4 port could run on Switch at 720p resolution, 540p in portable mode and 720p in docked mode. If actual Switch is popular and have good sales, I am pretty sure we will more AAA ports on Switch. PS4 will be same time on market like PS4 Pro, Pro isn't successor to base PS4, it's just a stronger version on first place for 4k users.

It isn't really packing a lot of stuff. Just the controllers and the dock (probably a more expensive SKU). It also cuts some costs by decreasing the screen resolution, so it can even be the same here. The 3DS is selling at decent numbers for sure, but it has a big library to push it forward. While the XL version is more expensive, people still have cheaper alternatives on the regular New 3DS and the 2DS, so it isn't really selling always at a 200 dollars pricing.

As a portable, it has to be cheap to be used as second console. As it is launching mid gen, this is even more important.

As for performance, it won't be that easy to run current PS4 games even at 720p. X1 normally does it going from 720p to 900p and switch has pretty much less than half its GPU power and half the RAM. The CPU is probably way weaker since it's an ARM. Anyway, having AAA ports isn't a matter of power. It's a question of sales. PS2 was significantly weaker than both competitors and a hard to develop for machine. If 3rd party software sells well on the Switch, they will be ported.

What made Wii U lose 3rd party support wasn't it's limited power. The reason was the low sales of 3rd party games, such as the brilliant port of NFS: Most Wanted. People usually try to justify it with the "60 dollar late port" excuse, but look at what all those remaster are doing on PS4 and X1. If games sell well, 3rd parties will port them to Switch even if they have to almost rebuild the game from scratch.



spemanig said:

"We’re not so sure if the Switch is weaker than the Xbox One, as the performance may be close."

All that matters.

Seriously, though. Who was expecting this thing to be as powerful as a PS4??

Hum most Nintendo fans based on the forums 



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m