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Soundwave said:

 

Seriously that opening for FFXV is ... a disaster. Once one of the top franchises in Japan now can't even hit 700k its opening week?

Except it did hit over 700k. The Film Collections Box Final Fantasy XV (sold 13k) wasn't included in the gaming tracker, but the animation tracker.

Also, lol at the rest of what you said. No way you just said that.



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spemanig said:
Soundwave said:

N64 would've won its generation and retained most of its third party support if it had 256MB and 512MB cartridges that cost $2-$3 a pop to manufacture. 

Anyways if Japanese devs want to bitch about only 32GB + the option to off-load another 4-8GB to downloads, lets see how they feel about a future where they can only make games based on Apple's iOS limit. 

Or they could just sell their stuff in the west, like they've been doing successfully. The Japanese marketplace isn't the be-all end-all of anything. The only reason that marketplace matters is because of ego and pride. If they can't sell FF in Japan anymore, they will just sell it in the west and make their money here.

Who is selling what in the West? Street Fighter V? 

Japanese franchises are in huge trouble without a Japanese base to sell to and yes that includes Final Fantasy. 

The "West" is fixated on hyper violent Western shooters and crime games and realistic sports sims there's only maybe 2-3 non-Nintendo Japanese IP that really do well in the long run in the West now. 

If Japanese developers think their salvation lies in the West, they are sadly digging their own grave. It will only be a matter of time until greedy suits within their own company's board of directors start saying "why can't we just make these games for smartphones? That's where all the users are", and then these devs will understand the horrible mistake they've made. 

IMO there are already going to be repurcussions from these FFXV sales ... I'll bet dollars to donughts that FFXVI is now going to have a lower budget as a result of this. S-E may have suckered stores to order a lot of copies, but that isn't going to happen next time, sell through always tells the truth. 



I think it's more to do with home consoles in general do back in Japan.
Home consoles have struggled in Japan since PS2. I think the Wii did amazing to start out there, but then died. The PS3 very very slowly managed just a average number.

Japan has moved more towards handhelds. Feels like you don't really much more than 5 mil consoles in Japan for it's healthy life. Sure it may crawl to a higher number, but not very quick. I mean isn't PS4 right now only at 3 mil?
Hard to pull 2 million first week with those numbers. Handhelds you see in the 20+ million numbers. Question is? Will Switch sell more like a handheld in Japan or Home Console?



Rob5VGC said:
Soundwave said:

 

Seriously that opening for FFXV is ... a disaster. Once one of the top franchises in Japan now can't even hit 700k its opening week?

Except it did hit over 700k. The Film Collections Box Final Fantasy XV (sold 13k) wasn't included in the gaming tracker, but the animation tracker.

Also, lol at the rest of what you said. No way you just said that.

I said it and I stand by it. 

Switch needs to be supported by Japanese developers if there is to be any future for traditional gaming in Japan. 

Hiroshi Yamauchi is dead. Let your grudges go Square, support the Switch and give it the benefit of the doubt just like you give anything from Sony every benefit of the doubt. It's time for your old biases to die. That goes for the rest of you Japanese developers too. 

Enough of this "wait and see" approach with Nintendo. Enough. You are two feet in your own grave, you can't afford to look off of the one person that can pull you out. 

Every major third party Japanese game should be on Switch unless there is absolutely no way it can run, and I am doubting that because even a game like SSFIV could run on a 3DS. Japanese gamers don't give a shit about all this 4K or HDR stuff, they're not going to care if the graphics are a little compromised.

Imagine how fucked S-E would be right now if Dragon Quest XI was PS4 only. Whoever decided they needed to have a 3DS and Switch version should be given a raise because that game is likely going to sell 2-3x the amount it would have otherwise. 



Soundwave said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

Uh, a port to Switch is something that's feasable if it takes off. Not just dropping support for a platform with 50 million units out there with games that still have international appeal outside of Japan. To solely commit to a system that's following up the biggest failure Nintendo's had in the home console market to date. This is a Nintendo thread alright. 

Why not? Sony gets the benefit of the doubt every time, FFXV, KHIII, DQXI were all announced for it before it really sold big, it doesn't really even deserve a Dragon Quest game based on its sales in Japan. And that's fine, but would it kill Japanese developers to even give Ninendo the benefit of the doubt *one fucking time*? Even when it's their own future that depends on it?

Nintendo shouldn't be the one jumping through hoops here trying to impress Japanese developers like a dog when they've had the two best selling platforms in Japan for the last decade easily. 

Nintendo should finally be given some benefit of the doubt, they are the only one in Japan that has any chance of selling 20 million units. If Switch is reasonably powered, it's time for Square to swallow their pride and admit they need Nintendo to build them a healthy traditional gaming base in Japan or the future of many of their key IP is in serious trouble. 

They get the benefit of the doubt because the games have traditionally performed well. Plus Square likes to make a spectacle of these games, and Nintendo hasn't been providing the consoles that can give them the power these games need for their vision. The Wii was a success, but that was a casual fluke whose bubble popped hard. S/E hauling back and going with a mainline FF on a Nintendo platform would be a step back on the series AAA status. I mean, they COULD go back to roots and make a smaller production, but I doubt you could convince S/E to go that route.

Not to mention the fickleness of the Nintendo fanbase to support third party games scares pubs too. Sure they'll do the dog and pony show when they launch a new console and say they'll provide games, but they get the numbers back and hightail it out of there. It really comes down to the core fanbase and Nintendo being frugal on hardware that's been the ultimate issue.



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"Portbegging" and "Nintendo will save the console market in Japan" all in one.



RJ_Sizzle said:
Soundwave said:

Why not? Sony gets the benefit of the doubt every time, FFXV, KHIII, DQXI were all announced for it before it really sold big, it doesn't really even deserve a Dragon Quest game based on its sales in Japan. And that's fine, but would it kill Japanese developers to even give Ninendo the benefit of the doubt *one fucking time*? Even when it's their own future that depends on it?

Nintendo shouldn't be the one jumping through hoops here trying to impress Japanese developers like a dog when they've had the two best selling platforms in Japan for the last decade easily. 

Nintendo should finally be given some benefit of the doubt, they are the only one in Japan that has any chance of selling 20 million units. If Switch is reasonably powered, it's time for Square to swallow their pride and admit they need Nintendo to build them a healthy traditional gaming base in Japan or the future of many of their key IP is in serious trouble. 

They get the benefit of the doubt because the games have traditionally performed well. Plus Square likes to make a spectacle these games, and Nintendo hasn't been providing the consoles that can give them the power these games need for their vision. The Wii was a success, but that was a casual fluke whose bubble popped hard. S/E hauling back and going with a mainline FF on a Nintendo platform would be a step back on the series AAA status. I mean, they COULD go back to roots and make a smaller production, but I doubt you could convince S/E to go that route.

Not to mention the fickleness of the Nintendo fanbase to support third party games scares pubs too. Sure they'll do the dog and pony show when they launch a new console and say they'll provide games, but they get the numbers back and hightail it out of there. It really comes down to the core fanbase and Nintendo being frugal on hardware that's been the ultimate issue.

And that's fine, but would it kill them to give Nintendo the benfit of the doubt even *one time*? Between the DS and 3DS, Nintendo has sold over 50 million systems in Japan. This is more than the PS1+2 combined. 

The Super Famicom and Famicom had lucrative third party buyer bases in Japan. Why? Because Nintendo didn't have to sell the entire fucking platform on their own. Diversity of sales tends to happen when other developers actually get off their ass and help out. 

Do these developers want a future for traditional gaming in Japan? Yes or no? That's the only pertinent question now. And Nintendo is the only one that can deliver it. 



Soundwave said:

 

Seriously that opening for FFXV is ... a disaster. Once one of the top franchises in Japan now can't even hit 700k its opening week? There's no spinning how devastating this is. This one proud franchise used to clear 2 million in its first week without breaking a sweat there. 

I think Square-Enix hitching their wagon to Sony has caught up to them. Why has Nintendo never been given a main line Final Fantasy game despite having the best selling system in Japan for each of the last two generations by a large margin? Bet they are counting their lucky stars Dragon Quest XI will be on 3DS and Switch too, otherwise they would be in big, big trouble with Dragon Quest as well. 

Be careful what you wish for Capcom in making Monster Hunter for PS4 as well, because it could be a very similar and sobering result. 

Japanese developers better hope Switch does well in Japan, because it's curtains to the traditional  Japanese game industry if it does not take off. It's going to go smartphone only and you're going to see Dragon Quest XII and Final Fantasy games launching on mobile if Switch does not succeed. 

It's time for the Japanese community to support Nintendo again unless they want to gauruntee their own destruction. Street Fighter V bombing on PS4 was bad enough, this needs to be a huge wake up call. The traditional home only console in Japan is dead, it's time to rally around the portable/home Switch. 

 

The Wii sold 12 millions on Japan, The PS3 ended at +- 10 millions of units sold.

The PS4 sold 3.5 millions against 3.3-3.4 millions even with 1-2 years of disadvantage.

 

The problem is that Nintendo consoles usually don't have much JRPGS and Sony usually has worldwide domination.



Wasn't the best selling Monster Hunter game on Sony hardware?
Releasing the Monster Hunter games on Nintendo hardware, caused the numbers to drop, I'm sure Soundwave agrees



Soundwave said:
spemanig said:

Or they could just sell their stuff in the west, like they've been doing successfully. The Japanese marketplace isn't the be-all end-all of anything. The only reason that marketplace matters is because of ego and pride. If they can't sell FF in Japan anymore, they will just sell it in the west and make their money here.

Who is selling what in the West? Street Fighter V? 

Japanese franchises are in huge trouble without a Japanese base to sell to and yes that includes Final Fantasy. 

The "West" is fixated on hyper violent Western shooters and crime games and realistic sports sims there's only maybe 2-3 non-Nintendo Japanese IP that really do well in the long run in the West now. 

If Japanese developers think their salvation lies in the West, they are sadly digging their own grave. It will only be a matter of time until greedy suits within their own company's board of directors start saying "why can't we just make these games for smartphones? That's where all the users are", and then these devs will understand the horrible mistake they've made. 

IMO there are already going to be repurcussions from these FFXV sales ... I'll bet dollars to donughts that FFXVI is now going to have a lower budget as a result of this. S-E may have suckered stores to order a lot of copies, but that isn't going to happen next time, sell through always tells the truth. 

Final Fantasy, that is  the reason why they shipped 5 millions of units day 1.