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Makes me glad that people over on Dtoid are acting far more reasonable when it comes to the VA strike and not shoe-horning devs into the VA strike as if VA's don't matter at all.



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Zarkho said:
People don't strike, risking their actual and future work opportunities, if things aren't really fucked up. This guy is a privileged scab who is showing zero solidarity with not so fortunate/talented colleages, so you know where I think he can insert that trophy...

I'm not sure how's privileged. He probably started off doing tiny voice acting jobs before he hit it big to lead games, he didn't just arrive and they handed him lead roles, he's worked for it for years. He understands that developers do not get the proper respect and compensation for the amount of work they put it and he said it already, if it wasn't for them, his career and the ones of all other VA wouldn't matter.



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Anybody striking over a $100/hour job where they do the talky-talky should have their genitals removed. So their ungrateful genes don't spread to the population at large. Castration. Hysterectomy. Whatever. Hey. Maybe both.

 

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Areym said:
Zarkho said:
People don't strike, risking their actual and future work opportunities, if things aren't really fucked up. This guy is a privileged scab who is showing zero solidarity with not so fortunate/talented colleages, so you know where I think he can insert that trophy...

I'm not sure how's privileged. He probably started off doing tiny voice acting jobs before he hit it big to lead games, he didn't just arrive and they handed him lead roles, he's worked for it for years. He understands that developers do not get the proper respect and compensation for the amount of work they put it and he said it already, if it wasn't for them, his career and the ones of all other VA wouldn't matter.

Thing is regardless of anyone's opinion actions like the strikes are why he makes what he does to begin with, decades ago VA's were hardly paid and had to take similar action just to get paid for their work. He may not be running into the problems some of the striking actors now are dealing with because he has a big name much like Tom Cruise would get better treatment than a much less known actor, believe me from my time working in media they treat lesser known performers like throw aways. Fact is the VAs are now just as integral to the game as anyone else, I'm not going to bash them if the is something wrong in the background that they want changed.



COKTOE said:
Anybody striking over a $100/hour job where they do the talky-talky should have their genitals removed. So their ungrateful genes don't spread to the population at large. Castration. Hysterectomy. Whatever. Hey. Maybe both.

Yeah because that's a class A example right there...

 

Because every VA is always earning over $100 an hr and every VA always has it easy as hell. Cannot believe people like you even exist.



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Chazore said:
COKTOE said:
Anybody striking over a $100/hour job where they do the talky-talky should have their genitals removed. So their ungrateful genes don't spread to the population at large. Castration. Hysterectomy. Whatever. Hey. Maybe both.

Yeah because that's a class A example right there...

 

Because every VA is always earning over $100 an hr and every VA always has it easy as hell. Cannot believe people like you even exist.

Street jockeys earn $50/hour for background chatter in my town. Bare minimum. It's a lucrative field. It's like getting paid to fart into a jar. I know people in this insustry. And I use the term industry lightly.

- edit. Oh god. I didn't even see the part where my existance is in question. Ha! So, are you one of those poor souls who forces sounds out of their voicebox for a living, a voice actor groupie/sycophant, or a compulsive contrarian? I can only imagine the hardship. So many brave souls were lost just this year.....next year, more black-lung and radiation death. But we have to move forward as a species. More money for people playing pretend sounds like something to double down on.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

I agree and disagree with Nolan North. Performance of every creative person does matter and it only serves the interests of publishers and corporate empires for different "factions" of creative people to be fighting among themselves about who deserves more. THEY ALL DESERVE MORE. I wish people would get that trough their thick skulls, especially the actors, designers and developers who are opposing this. Ultimately, if the voice actors get a better deal this can flow through in some way to the other artists in the game industry.

How is what North says about if they didn't do their work his job wouldn't exist differ to moves, TV and theatre. Acting jobs in any medium only exists because other people have put in a huge amount of work before the actors get to do their performance. The part of Gollum in LOTR would not exist if Tolkien had not written the book, Peter Jackson hadn't convinced a studio to produce the movie, and he hadn't written a script that was good enough to be turned into a film, and all the SFX people hadn't done a brilliant job doing Gollum's animation. Yet Andy Serkis still gets royalties for his performance as Gollum.

All the voice actors in the Disney animated movies get royalties for their voice work, that is 100% the same work as the voice actors in video games. 100% the same, they stand in a studio and read the lines.

This isn't an argument about whether game VAs should get more. It's an argument about whether game VAs should get the same sort of deal as movie and TV actors. And the answer is absolutely yes they should get the same sort of deal.

Should designers and developers get a better deal? Damned right the should. And I hope they band together and demand it.

I've lost a bit of respect for Nolan North since he seems to suffer from a lack of vision even though he was well intentioned by acknowledging the amazing and essential work the other creative people do.

Go ahead Naught Dog, make TLOU and Uncharted with computer generated "Stephen Hawking" vocals. See how that goes down. Or how about have no voices and just text dialogue? Yeah, no. Quality voice work is important in many video games it is part of the experience, and poor voice work lowers the quality of the experience.



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Slimebeast said:

Nolan Noreth is right! The other voice actors are selfish, money-hungry assholes who demand special privilege.

Voice acting is a very easy and comfortable job and should be paid much less than cleaning toilets or flipping burgers for example.

They don't even need their hands to do the job, so they should just record the voice actors while they are cleaning toilets and flipping burgers. 

 

That way way they don't even need to be paid, because they are already working. 



COKTOE said:
Chazore said:

Yeah because that's a class A example right there...

 

Because every VA is always earning over $100 an hr and every VA always has it easy as hell. Cannot believe people like you even exist.

Street jockeys earn $50/hour for background chatter in my town. Bare minimum. It's a lucrative field. It's like getting paid to fart into a jar. I know people in this insustry. And I use the term industry lightly.

Yet they may only work for half a year or less. Meaning their annual income is actually quite low. People think being paid $100 per hour is creaming it. But it seems people think these actors are working 40hrs/week 48 weeks a year on contracts that have health insurance, sick leave, annual leave etc etc. But that is not the case. Most of the time the contracts are very bare bones with no or very few benefits.

It appears you might know people in the industry, but you seem to have little understanding of the industry. You certainly seem to place no valuon the inputs of the industry, and yet people seem to value the outputs of this industry to a very high degree. Some people spend the majority of their leisure time consuming (andf paying for) the outputs of this industry, yet for some odd reason they don't think this industry has any merit. Very strange.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

binary solo said:
COKTOE said:

Street jockeys earn $50/hour for background chatter in my town. Bare minimum. It's a lucrative field. It's like getting paid to fart into a jar. I know people in this insustry. And I use the term industry lightly.

Yet they may only work for half a year or less. Meaning their annual income is actually quite low. People think being paid $100 per hour is creaming it. But it seems people think these actors are working 40hrs/week 48 weeks a year on contracts that have health insurance, sick leave, annual leave etc etc. But that is not the case. Most of the time the contracts are very bare bones with no or very few benefits.

It appears you might know people in the industry, but you seem to have little understanding of the industry. You certainly seem to place no valuon the inputs of the industry, and yet people seem to value the outputs of this industry to a very high degree. Some people spend the majority of their leisure time consuming (andf paying for) the outputs of this industry, yet for some odd reason they don't think this industry has any merit. Very strange.

If you can't get full time work as a voice actor, look into something else. Seriously. If you can get by on it solely, Bob's you're uncle. The very idea that this would be somebody's "end all be all " is absurd. If you have any work in this field, you've won the job lottery.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."