i dont think any of them will appear on the next xbox though only the next MGS has a slight chance

blaydcor said: I'm pretty sure Kojima said MGS4 is the last chapter of the series. And by pretty sure, I mean I'm positive.

 I thought his words were that MGS4 would be his last Metal Gear project and the end of Snake, not the definitive end of the series. I'm not saying you're wrong but I thought I heard that.

GT- impossible
FF- unlikely due to poor Japanese sales
MGS- if another one is made in the series, it's a good chance it will be present on 360 or its successor

ikilledkenny said: GT- impossible FF- unlikely due to poor Japanese sales MGS- if another one is made in the series, it's a good chance it will be present on 360 or its successor

MGS will end up on the nextbox, but only after being a timed exclusive for sony first. No to GT and FF.

Sorry didn't mean to quote ya lol. 

ikilledkenny said: GT- impossible FF- unlikely due to poor Japanese sales MGS- if another one is made in the series, it's a good chance it will be present on 360 or its successor

FF also sells well in NA and EU so they can make it multi plat

Final-Fan said: JaggedSac said: @Final-Fan - So you are telling me that if a publisher/developer could avoid printing discs and avoid shipping costs, it would be a bad idea. They either make more profit, make the game cheaper, or both. Everyone wins except the un-needed middle person. Not sure what your point is about hardware. Any company would sell hardware. Walmart would sell hardware. Look at Steam. It works. Also not sure what your point was about the interview. The vp was obviously aware that Sony had plans to have a long shelf-life for the PS3. OK, let me lay it out: 1. The current retail setup for video game consoles is that retailers make practically no money on console sales. They get their profits from game sales. 2. How do you think they will react to a console manufacturer saying, "OK guys, we're not going to be selling games through you anymore, but please keep devoting huge shelf space to our console anyway"? They might just retaliate by dropping that console in favor of other ones. On the other hand, they might just jack up the price on the console to make a profit on it. 2b. PC gaming doesn't have this problem because retailers don't have the same incentive -- PC sales turn a profit without the help of games. And for an example of retailers dropping a console, I give you the Saturn. (It was for a different reason, but still.) I believe Wal-mart was one of the ones that shunned the Saturn in retaliation for not being one of the launch retailers. As for the interview, I find it hard to believe you truly do not understand that as a VP of Microsoft, his job is not to answer interview questions with evenhanded thoughtful analysis but to offer analysis that makes Microsoft look good and for bonus points makes everyone else look bad. Besides which, only one of the questions was even remotely on point to this discussion and if I recall correctly he didn't even say anything substantial. Just fluff that sounded confident about the 360.

 Your right.  Just like retailers have stopped selling mp3 players because everyone steals music or downloads from iTunes and don't buy music from their stores.  Just like people said music downloads will never EVER take off.

 

As for the interview, I mentioned nothing about what the VP said.  In fact what he said IS irrelevant to my point.  Just stating the fact that when the interviewer posited the question, the vp already knew about the info.  So ipso, facto, Microsoft must have information regarding Sony's shelf-life plans.

"Oh, you mean when they ported it from the least powerful system of the generation to a much more powerful system (Xbox) and a vastly more powerful platform (PC)?  I can see why you'd say that was exactly the sameas porting to a system that's somewhat arguably less powerful overall and certainly less powerful in certain respects. "

 

When FFXI was realeased in japan xbox just was coming out, so really it orginally was ported for the most power full console it could at that time.  Then a year or so later came out to the pc, then way later to the 360.  The point i was trying to stress was writing code for diffrerent archituces is a hard work.  Main reason why Mac only supported PPC and windows supported X86.

 

"However, I don't think I understand your point about XDR being inferior to GDDR3 because XDR and the CPU "correspond together".  Please elaborate.  Also, are you aware of the much lower latency of the memory in the PS3?  (Contrary to the high latency of past forms of Rambus memory.)"

 Well i am probably wrong on this but i read about when PS3 first came out a devopler created a benchmark tool through Sony's SDK and compared it to the 360 with its own benchmark tool written in its own SDK.  And i show how the ram gimped the console's speed.  The cpu was a lot faster but with the factor of the ram the GPU the 360 was faster at 1.12% on flop/s.

lost soul in bliss said: "Oh, you mean when they ported it from the least powerful system of the generation to a much more powerful system (Xbox) and a vastly more powerful platform (PC)? I can see why you'd say that was exactly the sameas porting to a system that's somewhat arguably less powerful overall and certainly less powerful in certain respects." When FFXI was realeased in japan xbox just was coming out, so really it orginally was ported for the most power full console it could at that time. Then a year or so later came out to the pc, then way later to the 360. The point i was trying to stress was writing code for diffrerent archituces is a hard work. Main reason why Mac only supported PPC and windows supported X86.

That's a good point, but it's a point in my favor.  It's much easier to port to a more powerful system, which is one of the reasons we see so many shoddy PS2-to-Wii ports.  The latter system is powerful enough that porting is very easy, if the porters are lazy enough not to bother trying to improve anything.  The hypothetical PS3-to-360 FFXIII port would be a completely different proposition. 

"However, I don't think I understand your point about XDR being inferior to GDDR3 because XDR and the CPU "correspond together". Please elaborate. Also, are you aware of the much lower latency of the memory in the PS3? (Contrary to the high latency of past forms of Rambus memory.)" Well i am probably wrong on this but i read about when PS3 first came out a devopler created a benchmark tool through Sony's SDK and compared it to the 360 with its own benchmark tool written in its own SDK. And i show how the ram gimped the console's speed. The cpu was a lot faster but with the factor of the ram the GPU the 360 was faster at 1.12% on flop/s.

I don't know where you got that information.  I do know there's one widely dispersed "analysis" that's Microsoft propaganda.  Wikipedia has some answers, but not all. 

PS3: 
PlayStation 3's Cell CPU achieves 204 GFLOPS single precision float and 15 GFLOPS double precision.
360: 
The CPU emphasizes high floating point performance through multiple FPU and SIMD vector processing units in each core. It has a theoretical peak performance of 115.2 gigaflops and is capable of 9.6 billion dot products per second.

As for the GPU end of it, the PS3 article says "The floating point performance of the whole system (CPU + GPU) is reported to be 2 TFLOPS."  However, I did not spot the equivalent info on the 360's page, although the Xenos article suggests 240 GFLOPS.  I think it's fair to say that the disparity is likely NOT as large as those numbers suggest, although I don't recall what the more detailed comparisons I've read reveal. 

The RSX is 40 gflops (10 flops x 8 pipelines x 500 mhz)

Xenos is 240 gflops (10 flops x 48 pipelines x 500 mhz)

for vertex shading that is

I'm not going to concede that specific data without knowing the source, but let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that it's right. I will further suppose that those numbers are actually somewhat meaningful for games.

Now you suppose that there is some other task(s) at which the PS3 can outperform the 360 by an equally ludicrous amount. If FFXIII exploits the abilities of the PS3 in this area(s), it may be very hard to translate those parts of the game that depend on those abilities to the 360.

Do you understand the point I am trying to make?