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What do you think about the Smach Z?

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zorg1000 said:

You say there are just some millions Nintendo fans, well there are just some thousand Smach Z fans, its going to sell like Ouya or other Steam Machines, its a device with no clear market and all of its games are available on existing devices.

Ouya cant play steam games

Steam machines cant do anything a normal pc cant do (you can also connect your desktop to a tv an use a controller).

 

SmachZ will be more portable then any gaming capable pc ever was. There is an advantage to take this piece above and desktop pc. There werent any advantages to take an steam machine over an desktop pc, but the steam machines were significantly more expensive. Your really wondering why they failed? Are you serious?

The SmachZ is more likely in the range of an gaming laptop instead of an not anything related ouya. You dont even have any arguments how this device compares to ouya or steam machines. The Ouya uses arm socs, its even more similar to the switch. So switch fail confirmed because the ouya failed? lmao.

The switch is basically also the same thing like the shield portable. That failed as well.

 

The smachZ is more like a gaming laptops. Those are selling decently. There is a big demand of people that want to play their pc games on the go (even with some cut downs in performance). The SmachZ does this alot better then an gaming laptop (in terms of portability). And its also significantly cheaper and has better battery life.

Do you know something like the razer blade? Those laptops are selling decently at priece tags 2-3k. And they are selling that good because they are slimmer, lighter and more comfortable to use on the go compared to big gaming laptops. The SmachZ has definitly ALOT potential.

 

ONCE AGAIN: If the portabilty feature wont be liked by many people, gaming laptops wont sell, the 3ds wouldnt sell (the wiiu was the way more capable system, but the 3ds outsold it significantly. The only 3ds advantage was basically portability over the wii u. If you compare metacritic, the wii u software library > 3ds library) and the switch wouldnt sell.

Last gen, 13 Mio people got a system that can play the best nintendo games in best performance and graphics AND 60 Mio people got a system that played inferior games on the go. Even the Vita without many games sold better then the wii u. The nintendo games dont sell many system, the portabilty feature does. And if the competition manages to get MORE AAA Third party games on an as good portable device...rip nintendo.



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omgfk said:
zorg1000 said:

You say there are just some millions Nintendo fans, well there are just some thousand Smach Z fans, its going to sell like Ouya or other Steam Machines, its a device with no clear market and all of its games are available on existing devices.

Ouya cant play steam games

Steam machines cant do anything a normal pc cant do (you can also connect your desktop to a tv an use a controller).

 

SmachZ will be more portable then any gaming capable pc ever was. There is an advantage to take this piece above and desktop pc. There werent any advantages to take an steam machine over an desktop pc, but the steam machines were significantly more expensive. Your really wondering why they failed? Are you serious?

The SmachZ is more likely in the range of an gaming laptop instead of an not anything related ouya. You dont even have any arguments how this device compares to ouya or steam machines. The Ouya uses arm socs, its even more similar to the switch. So switch fail confirmed because the ouya failed? lmao.

The switch is basically also the same thing like the shield portable. That failed as well.

 

The smachZ is more like a gaming laptops. Those are selling decently. There is a big demand of people that want to play their pc games on the go (even with some cut downs in performance). The SmachZ does this alot better then an gaming laptop (in terms of portability). And its also significantly cheaper and has better battery life.

Do you know something like the razer blade? Those laptops are selling decently at priece tags 2-3k. And they are selling that good because they are slimmer, lighter and more comfortable to use on the go compared to big gaming laptops. The SmachZ has definitly ALOT potential.

 

ONCE AGAIN: If the portabilty feature wont be liked by many people, gaming laptops wont sell, the 3ds wouldnt sell (the wiiu was the way more capable system, but the 3ds outsold it significantly. The only 3ds advantage was basically portability over the wii u. If you compare metacritic, the wii u software library > 3ds library) and the switch wouldnt sell.

Last gen, 13 Mio people got a system that can play the best nintendo games in best performance and graphics AND 60 Mio people got a system that played inferior games on the go. Even the Vita without many games sold better then the wii u. The nintendo games dont sell many system, the portabilty feature does. And if the competition manages to get MORE AAA Third party games on an as good portable device...rip nintendo.

Your entire post completely missed what I said

"This is a device with no clear market and all of its games are available on other devices"

It will fail because of that just like Ouya, Steam Machines & Shield devices all failed.

This will be a super niche device, anybody who thinks otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:

Your entire post completely missed what I said

"This is a device with no clear market and all of its games are available on other devices"

It will fail because of that just like Ouya, Steam Machines & Shield devices all failed.

This will be a super niche device, anybody who thinks otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.

Ouya cant play steam games

Steam machines cant do anything a normal pc cant do (you can also connect your desktop to a tv an use a controller).

 

SmachZ will be more portable then any gaming capable pc ever was. There is an advantage to take this piece above and desktop pc. There werent any advantages to take an steam machine over an desktop pc, but the steam machines were significantly more expensive. Your really wondering why they failed? Are you serious?

The SmachZ is more likely in the range of an gaming laptop instead of an not anything related ouya. You dont even have any arguments how this device compares to ouya or steam machines. The Ouya uses arm socs, its even more similar to the switch. So switch fail confirmed because the ouya failed? lmao.

The switch is basically also the same thing like the shield portable. That failed as well.

 

The smachZ is more like a gaming laptops. Those are selling decently. There is a big demand of people that want to play their pc games on the go (even with some cut downs in performance). The SmachZ does this alot better then an gaming laptop (in terms of portability). And its also significantly cheaper and has better battery life.

Do you know something like the razer blade? Those laptops are selling decently at priece tags 2-3k. And they are selling that good because they are slimmer, lighter and more comfortable to use on the go compared to big gaming laptops. The SmachZ has definitly ALOT potential.

 

ONCE AGAIN: If the portabilty feature wont be liked by many people, gaming laptops wont sell, the 3ds wouldnt sell (the wiiu was the way more capable system, but the 3ds outsold it significantly. The only 3ds advantage was basically portability over the wii u. If you compare metacritic, the wii u software library > 3ds library) and the switch wouldnt sell.

Last gen, 13 Mio people got a system that can play the best nintendo games in best performance and graphics AND 60 Mio people got a system that played inferior games on the go. Even the Vita without many games sold better then the wii u. The nintendo games dont sell many system, the portabilty feature does. And if the competition manages to get MORE AAA Third party games on an as good portable device...rip nintendo.



omgfk said:
zorg1000 said:

Your entire post completely missed what I said

"This is a device with no clear market and all of its games are available on other devices"

It will fail because of that just like Ouya, Steam Machines & Shield devices all failed.

This will be a super niche device, anybody who thinks otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.

Ouya cant play steam games

Steam machines cant do anything a normal pc cant do (you can also connect your desktop to a tv an use a controller).

 

SmachZ will be more portable then any gaming capable pc ever was. There is an advantage to take this piece above and desktop pc. There werent any advantages to take an steam machine over an desktop pc, but the steam machines were significantly more expensive. Your really wondering why they failed? Are you serious?

The SmachZ is more likely in the range of an gaming laptop instead of an not anything related ouya. You dont even have any arguments how this device compares to ouya or steam machines. The Ouya uses arm socs, its even more similar to the switch. So switch fail confirmed because the ouya failed? lmao.

The switch is basically also the same thing like the shield portable. That failed as well.

 

The smachZ is more like a gaming laptops. Those are selling decently. There is a big demand of people that want to play their pc games on the go (even with some cut downs in performance). The SmachZ does this alot better then an gaming laptop (in terms of portability). And its also significantly cheaper and has better battery life.

Do you know something like the razer blade? Those laptops are selling decently at priece tags 2-3k. And they are selling that good because they are slimmer, lighter and more comfortable to use on the go compared to big gaming laptops. The SmachZ has definitly ALOT potential.

 

ONCE AGAIN: If the portabilty feature wont be liked by many people, gaming laptops wont sell, the 3ds wouldnt sell (the wiiu was the way more capable system, but the 3ds outsold it significantly. The only 3ds advantage was basically portability over the wii u. If you compare metacritic, the wii u software library > 3ds library) and the switch wouldnt sell.

Last gen, 13 Mio people got a system that can play the best nintendo games in best performance and graphics AND 60 Mio people got a system that played inferior games on the go. Even the Vita without many games sold better then the wii u. The nintendo games dont sell many system, the portabilty feature does. And if the competition manages to get MORE AAA Third party games on an as good portable device...rip nintendo.

So the point still went over your head........



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:

So the point still went over your head........

All your points were already disporved in the comment. You should read it first before answering. You compare the SmachZ with the Nvidia Shield without ANY foundation. Actually the Switch has even more in comman with the Shield then the Smach.

The Smach can be best compared to notebook, scince it allows you to use ur PC on the go. And notebooks arnt flopping. People even pay alot money for underpowered notebooks (like new macbook, ultrabooks and co) just because they are super thin and more portable. The SmachZ is even on a whole other level of portability.

So the only reason the SmachZ could fail is no/low marketing budget and no brand image. I agree with that. Nintendo or apple are better in that.

But the functionality itself destroys the switch for everybidy whos not a nintendo fan or multi console owner



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omgfk said:
zorg1000 said:

So the point still went over your head........

All your points were already disporved in the comment. You should read it first before answering. You compare the SmachZ with the Nvidia Shield without ANY foundation. Actually the Switch has even more in comman with the Shield then the Smach.

The Smach can be best compared to notebook, scince it allows you to use ur PC on the go. And notebooks arnt flopping. People even pay alot money for underpowered notebooks (like new macbook, ultrabooks and co) just because they are super thin and more portable. The SmachZ is even on a whole other level of portability.

So the only reason the SmachZ could fail is no/low marketing budget and no brand image. I agree with that. Nintendo or apple are better in that.

But the functionality itself destroys the switch for everybidy whos not a nintendo fan or multi console owner

No, your entire post was a rant that had nothing to do with what I said.

Im not comparing Smach Z to Ouya/Shield/Steam Machines in terms of specs/features, im comparing them in the sense that all their games can be played elsewhere.

All Ouya games can be played on other, more popular devices.

All Shield games can be played on other, more popular devices.

All Steam Machine games can be played on other, more popular devices.

All Smach Z games can be played on other, more popular devices.

The same cannot be said about Switch, if it has similar support as 3DS+Wii U recieved than it will literally have hundreds of games that cannot be played on any other device.

So while Smach Z will have access to thousands of games, it really wont matter becauae people are happy playing those various games on devices they already own and I think you are waaaaaayyyyy overestimating the number of people who are dying to play their Steam library wherever they go.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
omgfk said:

Ouya cant play steam games

Steam machines cant do anything a normal pc cant do (you can also connect your desktop to a tv an use a controller).

 

SmachZ will be more portable then any gaming capable pc ever was. There is an advantage to take this piece above and desktop pc. There werent any advantages to take an steam machine over an desktop pc, but the steam machines were significantly more expensive. Your really wondering why they failed? Are you serious?

The SmachZ is more likely in the range of an gaming laptop instead of an not anything related ouya. You dont even have any arguments how this device compares to ouya or steam machines. The Ouya uses arm socs, its even more similar to the switch. So switch fail confirmed because the ouya failed? lmao.

The switch is basically also the same thing like the shield portable. That failed as well.

 

The smachZ is more like a gaming laptops. Those are selling decently. There is a big demand of people that want to play their pc games on the go (even with some cut downs in performance). The SmachZ does this alot better then an gaming laptop (in terms of portability). And its also significantly cheaper and has better battery life.

Do you know something like the razer blade? Those laptops are selling decently at priece tags 2-3k. And they are selling that good because they are slimmer, lighter and more comfortable to use on the go compared to big gaming laptops. The SmachZ has definitly ALOT potential.

 

ONCE AGAIN: If the portabilty feature wont be liked by many people, gaming laptops wont sell, the 3ds wouldnt sell (the wiiu was the way more capable system, but the 3ds outsold it significantly. The only 3ds advantage was basically portability over the wii u. If you compare metacritic, the wii u software library > 3ds library) and the switch wouldnt sell.

Last gen, 13 Mio people got a system that can play the best nintendo games in best performance and graphics AND 60 Mio people got a system that played inferior games on the go. Even the Vita without many games sold better then the wii u. The nintendo games dont sell many system, the portabilty feature does. And if the competition manages to get MORE AAA Third party games on an as good portable device...rip nintendo.

Your entire post completely missed what I said

"This is a device with no clear market and all of its games are available on other devices"

It will fail because of that just like Ouya, Steam Machines & Shield devices all failed.

This will be a super niche device, anybody who thinks otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.

Totally agree.



This smach thread will have more life than the actual product.



 

zorg1000 said:

All Ouya games can be played on other, more popular devices.

All Shield games can be played on other, more popular devices.

All Steam Machine games can be played on other, more popular devices.

All Smach Z games can be played on other, more popular devices.

Gaming PC games can be played on other devices

Gaming notebook games can be played on other, more popular devices

The majortiy of the best selling ps4 games can be played on other devices

The majortiy of the best selling Xbox One games can be played on other devices

All Ps4Pro games can be played on other, more popular devices

All Xbox One S games can be played on other, more popular devices

 

Your argumentation doesnt make any sense. If new hardware gets released without exclusives (always on PC) there are ALWAYS other, more popular devices that can do the same.

As the first gaming notebook ever god released, there were other more popular devices (desktops) as well that played the same games. Why didnt gaming notebooks fail?

 

Wii U played games you can only play on wii u. Sold 13mio.

You still think exclusives are needed for sales. Thats not wrong. The majortiy of ps4 werent sald for Ps exclusives but for GTA, Fifa, Call of Duty, Battlefield.

Its ridiculous your not capable of understanding this. This is even a forum/website about SALES. The best selling games ALL were multiplats in the past years.

Also like I already explained you like a dozens of times, mass market is not getting multiple gaming devices but one. So it doesnt matter how many system can play a game, they are all like exclusives for those people.

The SmachZ will be able to play thousands of aaa games, the switch might get 100 lifetime.

 

Here are the top 10 best selling ps4 games so far:

 

1 Call of Duty: Black Ops 3 PS4 2015 Shooter Activision 5.92 5.83 0.35 2.35 14.45
2 Grand Theft Auto V PS4 2014 Action Take-Two Interactive 3.86 6.00 0.37 1.90 12.13
3 FIFA 16 PS4 2015 Sports Electronic Arts 1.11 6.08 0.06 1.27 8.52
4 Star Wars Battlefront (2015) PS4 2015 Shooter Electronic Arts 2.95 3.34 0.22 1.24 7.75
5 Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare PS4 2014 Shooter Activision 2.80 3.48 0.14 1.23 7.65
6 Fallout 4 PS4 2015 Role-Playing Bethesda Softworks 2.49 3.18 0.24 1.11 7.02
7 FIFA 17 PS4 2016 Sports Electronic Arts 0.46 4.98 0.08 0.94 6.46
8 FIFA 15 PS4 2014 Sports Electronic Arts 0.79 4.33 0.05 0.90 6.07
9 Destiny PS4 2014 Shooter Activision 2.49 2.07 0.16 0.92 5.64
10 Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection PS4 2015 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 1.99 1.70 0.08 0.75 4.5

How many of those games can I play on other devices too? People will get a SmachZ to play the games that want to play on ps4/xbox/pc as well and Nintendo consoles most likely never get.

Exclusives are nice to have and have some influence of sales, but not nearly as many as you think.



Miyamotoo said:
zorg1000 said:

Your entire post completely missed what I said

"This is a device with no clear market and all of its games are available on other devices"

It will fail because of that just like Ouya, Steam Machines & Shield devices all failed.

This will be a super niche device, anybody who thinks otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.

Totally agree.

those points already got disproved multiple times.