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Forums - Nintendo - I see no sense in Nintendo Switch, it`s a terrible idea

invetedlotus123 said:
GoOnKid said:

We already had all this in the last generation. FFXV started development as a PS3 game, so it would have been possible on it. After the transition to the PS4 SE had more capabilities to highlight the visuals, but I cannot believe that the gameplay is only possible on the new hardware. It's an rpg after all. FFXIV is a PS3 game. The Witcher  is a wrpg. Why couldn't it have been possible on a PS3? Procedural generation might be the only thing that's new due to requiring a lot of processing power, but this alone doesn't make a good game. We all know the customer's perception of No Man's Sky.

The scale that FF XV has requires processing power, have you seen the enemies and the summons? They are HUGE. And in-game physics needs processing power, AI needs processing power, Smoothness needs processing power, it`s not just about looks, but it`s also about looks too. Why looks can`t be important? Graphics are important, and they are part of the experience too, Nintendo fans seems to don`t understand that. Aesthesics are important.

"it`s not just about looks, but it`s also about looks too." Yes, that's true. Graphics are not the most important stuff, but I see nothing coming out of this gen so far other than shinier graphics, while at the same time the experiences get shallower because publishers want to play it safe and release mostly those games that do what others did right. The originality is missing, you know? That's what ReimTime elaborates in his thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=222594&page=1#

I can also see that graphical progress tends to open up new possibilities for the medium, but unfortunately, not after the transition from gen 7 to gen 8. Every other transition so far has led to amazing new experiences, but not this time. That is what I intended to tell you in the original response.

And I also understand that games these days HAVE TO have the focus on better graphics, because otherwise gamers wouldn't recognize a difference between last gen and this gen and therefore would start to complain. But the flipside is that the tyical mainstream games are becoming more of the same with no space for innovation.

Nintendo fans understand the value of graphics. They are delighted by pretty visuals, too. Look at Kirby and the Rainbow Course: it looks goddamn amazing, doesn't it? Or take Yoshi's Woolly World, it's beautiful! Aesthesics are important, just like you said. But they don't need to be realistic.



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invetedlotus123 said:
GoOnKid said:

We already had all this in the last generation. FFXV started development as a PS3 game, so it would have been possible on it. After the transition to the PS4 SE had more capabilities to highlight the visuals, but I cannot believe that the gameplay is only possible on the new hardware. It's an rpg after all. FFXIV is a PS3 game. The Witcher  is a wrpg. Why couldn't it have been possible on a PS3? Procedural generation might be the only thing that's new due to requiring a lot of processing power, but this alone doesn't make a good game. We all know the customer's perception of No Man's Sky.

The scale that FF XV has requires processing power, have you seen the enemies and the summons? They are HUGE. And in-game physics needs processing power, AI needs processing power, Smoothness needs processing power, it`s not just about looks, but it`s also about looks too. Why looks can`t be important? Graphics are important, and they are part of the experience too, Nintendo fans seems to don`t understand that. Aesthesics are important.

Xenoblade Chronicles X is just as big if not bigger than ff15 and it's on the Wii u. 



theARTIST0017 said:

 You know what I agree with you here. Why should anyone make a system thats X1 power and make it portable? You're basically garunteed to have a one hour battery life. But, I figure that making a system that is technically weaker than the X1 and PS4 AND less capable is not practical given Nintendo also wants to win 3rd party support. So now we are left with the question; how do you make system as capable as X1/PS4, portable, with enough battery life to spare without it actually being as powerful?


That's a good question. I believe that it doesn't need to be literally as powerful to be able to outperform them. Newer architecture, faster RAM, more efficient processors, and newer technology can work around this issue. It's very possible that we can see graphics on the Switch that are on par or even better than X1/PS4 just because the hardware is more capable, while requiring less power to achieve this. Your thoughts?

 

you sure are expecting too much. Processing power is processing power. No matter what, you cant fit a shark in a 10gallon aquarium. You cant play witcher 3 on your budget pc without reducing IQ and FPS by a lot.

Best thing new technology could add is more battery life and smaller size to some extent, but if the power is not there, dont expect an increase in the game performance.



m_csquare said:

theARTIST0017 said:

 You know what I agree with you here. Why should anyone make a system thats X1 power and make it portable? You're basically garunteed to have a one hour battery life. But, I figure that making a system that is technically weaker than the X1 and PS4 AND less capable is not practical given Nintendo also wants to win 3rd party support. So now we are left with the question; how do you make system as capable as X1/PS4, portable, with enough battery life to spare without it actually being as powerful?


That's a good question. I believe that it doesn't need to be literally as powerful to be able to outperform them. Newer architecture, faster RAM, more efficient processors, and newer technology can work around this issue. It's very possible that we can see graphics on the Switch that are on par or even better than X1/PS4 just because the hardware is more capable, while requiring less power to achieve this. Your thoughts?

 

you sure are expecting too much. Processing power is processing power. No matter what, you cant fit a shark in a 10gallon aquarium. You cant play witcher 3 on your budget pc without reducing IQ and FPS by a lot.

Best thing new technology could add is more battery life and smaller size to some extent, but if the power is not there, dont expect an increase in the game performance.

I have to. There's not enough of us out here, unfortunately. Not saying I disagree with you, but Nintendo has to get it right this time.



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you know...i hate to say it...but i dont think people are as excited for nintendo switch as the industry guys are...



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invetedlotus123 said:

I mean, if Nintendo said " we`re not going to release a home console again, but, we are selling this incredible portable device and we are also allowing consumers to play on TV by using the included base" it would be just fine, but saying  Switch is a home console first makes no sense at all. I see nothing good coming from Switch, it`s sounds even worse than Wii U, and Wii U was an already horrible idea. 

Nintendo has a real problem for not wanting to follow tech trends, because of that they missed all generations after SNES with the excpetion of Wii. Why Nintendo keep doing it? Why they seem to want to fail so hard? Why just not make console with really good specs and Nintendo games and stop doing this thing of trying to be different with no clear advantage?

Wii was a hit, but only Wii. Why is it so hard for Nintendo to just buy some nice components and make great software? I mean, I really don`t understand what Nintendo is still doing in hardware business for home consoles. Switch is heading to be a big disappointment for those who want to see Nintendo doing great again.

Not going even for PS4/XB1 level, when those were already underpowered for 2013 and even more for 2016 is really pointless.

I've heard tons of people state that the Wii switch will be a smaller version of last gen(ps3,360) in a handheld. 



squibbfire said:
invetedlotus123 said:

I mean, if Nintendo said " we`re not going to release a home console again, but, we are selling this incredible portable device and we are also allowing consumers to play on TV by using the included base" it would be just fine, but saying  Switch is a home console first makes no sense at all. I see nothing good coming from Switch, it`s sounds even worse than Wii U, and Wii U was an already horrible idea. 

Nintendo has a real problem for not wanting to follow tech trends, because of that they missed all generations after SNES with the excpetion of Wii. Why Nintendo keep doing it? Why they seem to want to fail so hard? Why just not make console with really good specs and Nintendo games and stop doing this thing of trying to be different with no clear advantage?

Wii was a hit, but only Wii. Why is it so hard for Nintendo to just buy some nice components and make great software? I mean, I really don`t understand what Nintendo is still doing in hardware business for home consoles. Switch is heading to be a big disappointment for those who want to see Nintendo doing great again.

Not going even for PS4/XB1 level, when those were already underpowered for 2013 and even more for 2016 is really pointless.

I've heard tons of people state that the Wii switch will be a smaller version of last gen(ps3,360) in a handheld. 

And I've heard people lying about other people heard Switch is a Wii.



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SpokenTruth said:
squibbfire said:

I've heard tons of people state that the Wii switch will be a smaller version of last gen(ps3,360) in a handheld. 

Wii Switch?   The hell is that?

You should probably stop listening to these tons of people.   They just lied to to you twice in that one statement.  

LMAO....i call it that...cause it looks like a wii controller



SpokenTruth said:
squibbfire said:

I've heard tons of people state that the Wii switch will be a smaller version of last gen(ps3,360) in a handheld. 

Wii Switch?   The hell is that?

You should probably stop listening to these tons of people.   They just lied to to you twice in that one statement.  

well they mentioned that it will be just powerful enough to support skyrim...and thats pretty much last gen



You have an interesting concept of doing well in the game hardware business.

1) You mention PS4/XB1 power levels which insinuates that you judge by how powerful they are. Yet you call N64 and GC failures even though they were much more powerful than their competitors (N64 vs PS) and/or the generational sales leader (N64 and GC vs PS and PS2, respectively). It wasn't until Nintendo decided to NOT be at technical parity/leadership with Wii that they actually blew away the competition. (psst - PS and PS2 were both the same as Wii, lower-powered but easily generational sales kings)

2) You mention Nintendo has failed since the SNES, yet Nintendo is the only one that had remained profitable in the gaming hardware business through all that time until WiiU. While all other competitors either never made money (actually I think MS is finally overall in the net profits again... maybe) or have barely made money due to many, many years in the red (sony).

3) You say WiiU was a horrible console and sales do support your statement. It was certainly only half-baked with no clear identity or software to sell that identity. Yet, it allowed an awesome concept (off-TV play), introduced Nintendo's future account system, introduced Splatoon, brought dual-analog controls to Nintendo, has a solid selection of 1st party games and is the last man standing with free online play.

Its not "horrible". It lacked implementation on its vision where NS has taken its best concept (off-tv play) and perfected it.

4) You ask why Nintendo has to be different than PS/XB. Why would another me-too console do well in the market? When Nintendo was doing this approach (N64 and GC) they continued to lose marketshare to Sony. This is a proven failure approach.

Nintendo simply is different. From software development to its hardware, Nintendo is always better when they focus on their own ideas and deliver when ready. Wii, DS, Pokemon Go, NES Classic all demonstrate that Nintendo has huge demand with the right ideas. NS is trending far more in that direction than WiiU.

- Its vision and promise is crystal clear and people are talking about it, those who were utterly confused about WiiU and had no interest... and that was all from one 3 minute video. What is going to happen when the software and other final features are shown in January?

- Nintendo brand is strong with ZeldaBotW, PokemonGo, PokemonS/M, NES Classic and SMR. Brand buzz is great. People are talking, excitedly, about Nintendo.

- Strong rumored price starting at $250. That is the same-ish as the lowest priced competitors but with actual exclusive games. Biggest failure I see with MSony is lack of exclusives. They share the same library for all intent and purpose. Sure PS has some 3rd party and both have their 1st, but these are not big sellers. Nintendo is the only one with big exclusives. Pokemon, Mario, Zelda, likely Monster Hunter, etc will all be on this one console.

- Power that allows porting. PS, PS2, Wii, every Nintendo portable, have all proven over and over again that power is not all that important. What is important is software. For PS, that has always been 3rd party primarily, especially when they had many 3rd party exclusives. For Nintendo that has primarily been 1st party. However, big 3rd party exclusives is a dead concept. Its too expensive and risky. So they make the game once on middle-ware and port to anything the middle-ware supports. Well, all of the middle-ware supports the NS and as long as the NS launch is solid, you'll see the biggest cash cows come to NS as well. Madden, FIFA, COD, Battlefield, etc, etc. All looking and playing more than good enough for mass consumers will be drawn to NS for its difference from the rest. Its great price, its fun 1st party and its ability to be a strong home console on-the-go.