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I would like to see a Nintendo x Microsoft team up. Why not. They are basically across the street from each other anyway.

Having three divided companies in this business has never worked. One always ends up getting the very short end of the stick in consoles (see also: Turbo Grafx 16, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, GameCube, etc. etc.). It only worked in the Wii era because of a fluke miracle break out hit with the Wiimote and as far as I can see, Nintendo has nothing new like that at all (making the Wii U tablet basically portable instead of tethered to the home console is not a "revolution"). 

Bromance it up. A Nintendo + MS console would be gaurunteed to have a solid position in the market always, no need for relying on gimmicks and flaky audiences that bail out on you for cheap smartphone games and are unwilling to try anything more complex than a Mario Kart game even after 5 years. 



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Soundwave said:

I would like to see a Nintendo x Microsoft team up. Why not. They are basically across the street from each other anyway.

Having three divided companies in this business has never worked. One always ends up getting the very short end of the stick in consoles.

Bromance it up. A Nintendo + MS console would be gaurunteed to have a solid position in the market always, no need for relying on gimmicks and flaky audiences that bail out on you for cheap smartphone games. 

I've always maintained Nintendo and MS make better bedfellows than Nintendo and Sony, against prevailing wisdom. 

If Microsoft built the hardware and online functionality, and managed the Windows side of things, and Nintendo had complete control over software, OS, and mission statement, that could be an interesting partnership.



Nintendo probably walked one over. They are again literally across the street from each other.

They have started collaborating on some stuff at least with Minecraft, I think you will see something with Nintendo characters + Minecraft for the Minecraft version of Switch.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Soundwave said:

I would like to see a Nintendo x Microsoft team up. Why not. They are basically across the street from each other anyway.

Having three divided companies in this business has never worked. One always ends up getting the very short end of the stick in consoles.

Bromance it up. A Nintendo + MS console would be gaurunteed to have a solid position in the market always, no need for relying on gimmicks and flaky audiences that bail out on you for cheap smartphone games. 

I've always maintained Nintendo and MS make better bedfellows than Nintendo and Sony, against prevailing wisdom. 

If Microsoft built the hardware and online functionality, and managed the Windows side of things, and Nintendo had complete control over software, OS, and mission statement, that could be an interesting partnership.

If MS was willing to give Nintendo a fair amount of control, I think yes, it would work. 

And I think they would be willing to. They've been in the business now for like 15 years and they're still kinda spinning their wheels in the same place eating Sony's dust. 

Nintendo could even take over distribution/branding of the XBox in Europe/Asia while continuing to make Switch systems. One is a dedicated home platform the other is a portable tablet really with a HDMI dock, they're different enough to coexist the same way Nintendo consoles + handhelds have for decades. 



Awesome! Phil is a good guy and a gamer, one of us. I think he's quite happy with it!



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RolStoppable said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I've always maintained Nintendo and MS make better bedfellows than Nintendo and Sony, against prevailing wisdom. 

If Microsoft built the hardware and online functionality, and managed the Windows side of things, and Nintendo had complete control over software, OS, and mission statement, that could be an interesting partnership.

What a crazy post.

Nintendo gets complete control over the OS, but Microsoft manages the Windows side of things. That's at odds, isn't it? Nintendo gets complete control over mission statement, but Microsoft builds the hardware and online functionality. That too is at odds, isn't it?

Additionally, what's the point of this fantasy? Microsoft takes the loss on hardware, Nintendo gets to do what they want? I don't think that would be agree upon either. And why should Nintendo pick such a weak partner to begin with? What advantage is Microsoft going to bring to the table, realistically speaking?

The only kind of partnership that makes sense is that Microsoft becomes a third party publisher on Nintendo systems, but that's about it.

It is just a fantasy. Just fun to think about. It would never happen.

Honestly, I just want someone to fix Halo.



RolStoppable said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I've always maintained Nintendo and MS make better bedfellows than Nintendo and Sony, against prevailing wisdom. 

If Microsoft built the hardware and online functionality, and managed the Windows side of things, and Nintendo had complete control over software, OS, and mission statement, that could be an interesting partnership.

What a crazy post.

Nintendo gets complete control over the OS, but Microsoft manages the Windows side of things. That's at odds, isn't it? Nintendo gets complete control over mission statement, but Microsoft builds the hardware and online functionality. That too is at odds, isn't it?

Additionally, what's the point of this fantasy? Microsoft takes the loss on hardware, Nintendo gets to do what they want? I don't think that would be agree upon either. And why should Nintendo pick such a weak partner to begin with? What advantage is Microsoft going to bring to the table, realistically speaking?

The only kind of partnership that makes sense is that Microsoft becomes a third party publisher on Nintendo systems, but that's about it.

I think Nintendo should just accept Windows. They're a rinky dink little company by comparison, they're never going to build an OS on par with that and the OS for all the Wii/DS/3DS/Wii U quite frankly sucked, which isn't unpredicable. Nintendo has a tiny fraction of the employees, their OS division is probably liek 100 people max. Why waste money and resources on that.

Let MS have that. Hell Nintendo should have just accepted a deal from MS in the GameCube era and let the GCN run Windows. What difference would it have made to Nintendo? Instead they allowed another 800 pound gorilla into the ring for no good reason and now they find themselves basically locked out of the traditional console market. 

MS doesn't really take a loss on XBox hardware any more so that's not really a big issue. 

The point would be that Nintendo would be gaurunteed a decent seat at the table without having to rely on flaky trends/gimmicks. The XBox One even with all the mistakes MS has made is still a stone cold lock to sell 40 million units, with Nintendo's support that could maybe be as high as 60-70 million. That is a stable seat. 

The two of them also compliment each other well software wise. Nintendo makes family friendly/nostalgic/fun games, MS would be an ideal fit as a secondary software provider that fills in the gaps present in Nintendo's lineup (Halo, Forza, Gears, etc.). Plus Minecraft and Rareware IP have a natural fit with Nintendo's offerings. 

Nintendo could still make Switch systems, could even take over distribution/branding of the XBox brands in EU/Asia and I think MS would even allow them to have a cut of licensing fees. 

For MS the XBox brand is kind of like a vanity project, it's something they like to have to be able to show shareholders "see, we do more than Windows" and it keeps the MS brand on some kind of tangiable consumer device. Let them have that. I think they would welcome Nintendo to handle a lot of the other stuff though, I get the sense they don't really *love* running a game division. It's something they kinda, sorta like doing. 



awesomeabe1998 said:

Phil Spencer, head of the Xbox division, is now an owner of the NES Classic Edition console which releases this Friday. He can now enjoy playing the 30 classic gems the NES Mini has to offer.

https://gamerelay.wordpress.com/2016/11/08/head-of-xbox-gets-an-nes-mini/

I actually like how companies don't realy consider each other as "threats" or don't see the gaming market as a console war. I think we should all take a few notes from the big companies and not get too serious about the "console war". But it looks like Phil Spencer is really excited to play the games he probably played as a child. That or he's going to use it just as a decoration lol.

Are any of you picking up a NES Mini?

Man I'm jealous lol, I think it's more an issue of it being entirely possible to be competitive without making it ugly.

I really want one of those; I have the original here but it'd be way easier to pack and more space efficient when I visit family or go elsewhere, and it has many of my favorite games including multiplayer ones. The only issue I have is that it's so small and the controller wires so short while hdmi cords are generally very rigid that I can't help but think the console itself might be floating awkwardly in the air at times. I already have 3rd party controller wire extensions, though, so hopefully that helps.

I'm anxiously awaiting it being available for preorder, but I already see there's a ton of preorders on eBay for silly prices and worry this will wind up being another majoras mask new 3ds xl situation. I saw a whole shelf of sega's genesis version in cvs and hope Nintendo releases enough that this will be similarly obtainable.



RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

I think Nintendo should just accept Windows. They're a rinky dink little company by comparison, they're never going to build an OS on par with that and the OS for all the Wii/DS/3DS/Wii U quite frankly sucked, which isn't unpredicable. Nintendo has a tiny fraction of the employees, their OS division is probably liek 100 people max. Why waste money and resources on that.

Let MS have that. Hell Nintendo should have just accepted a deal from MS in the GameCube era and let the GCN run Windows. What difference would it have made to Nintendo? Instead they allowed another 800 pound gorilla into the ring for no good reason and now they find themselves basically locked out of the traditional console market. 

MS doesn't really take a loss on XBox hardware any more so that's not really a big issue. 

The point would be that Nintendo would be gaurunteed a decent seat at the table without having to rely on flaky trends/gimmicks. The XBox One even with all the mistakes MS has made is still a stone cold lock to sell 40 million units, with Nintendo's support that could maybe be as high as 60-70 million. That is a stable seat. 

The two of them also compliment each other well software wise. Nintendo makes family friendly/nostalgic/fun games, MS would be an ideal fit as a secondary software provider that fills in the gaps present in Nintendo's lineup (Halo, Forza, Gears, etc.). Plus Minecraft and Rareware IP have a natural fit with Nintendo's offerings. 

Nintendo could still make Switch systems, could even take over distribution/branding of the XBox brands in EU/Asia and I think MS would even allow them to have a cut of licensing fees. 

For MS the XBox brand is kind of like a vanity project, it's something they like to have to be able to show shareholders "see, we do more than Windows" and it keeps the MS brand on some kind of tangiable consumer device. Let them have that. I think they would welcome Nintendo to handle a lot of the other stuff though, I get the sense they don't really *love* running a game division. It's something they kinda, sorta like doing. 

Why is 40 million good when Nintendo sells 70 million? Nevermind Xbox's glaring lack of success outside of English-speaking nations. Microsoft simply wouldn't be a strong global partner for Nintendo.

Microsoft made Xbox as a defensive move to protect Windows, that's why shareholders put up with it. The original reasons to have Xbox around do no longer exist, so Microsoft does not need to keep manufacturing hardware. That they are stripping future games of Xbox exclusivity can be seen as a soft exit strategy from the hardware business. Should Xbox consoles continue to tread water, Microsoft will become a software publisher because it's far less risky from a financial perspective. Xbox Live subscriptions won't be valuable enough to keep making hardware when the hardware doesn't sell at a high enough level, nevermind that it will eventually be feasible to offer a streaming service where subscriptions can live on without Microsoft having to sell consoles.

Nintendo sells 70 million portables ... but consoles? Not even close, not unless they have a miracle controller to ride on, and they don't have that anymore. 

Nintendo could still sell Switch, I don't think MS would have any issue with that. That's a portable centric line of hardware pretty far removed from something like the XBox Scorpio. 

40-50 million consoles is still too high for MS to just give up on the brand. That's not "treading water". That's a valuable brand, they have issues globally ... but therein lives yet more incentive to work with Nintendo. 

If XBox was selling 20-30 million tops then OK I could see them abandoning it, but if you're doing above Sega Genesis/SNES numbers, that's just too strong to give up on entirely. 



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