| sethnintendo said: I unfriended facebook about 4 years ago. Never missed it since. |
I friended it about 2 years ago and I'm 28. First year was interesting, nice way to keep in touch...now I kinda hate it...but it seems...necessary-ish.
Would you unfriend someone due to political differences? | |||
| Yes | 53 | 21.54% | |
| No | 152 | 61.79% | |
| Unsure | 41 | 16.67% | |
| Total: | 246 | ||
| sethnintendo said: I unfriended facebook about 4 years ago. Never missed it since. |
I friended it about 2 years ago and I'm 28. First year was interesting, nice way to keep in touch...now I kinda hate it...but it seems...necessary-ish.
| Alara317 said: I used to think that the 'mythical trump supporter' was either a rarity, or a parody. As in, nobody was actually dumb enough to support him. I was wrong. This thread shows there ARE people dumb enough to support such a blatantly terrible person. and I got a moderation warning for calling you out on it. It's a sad, sad day to be an intellectual. I hope your country burns for this. |
Do you really think that Trump is more of a terrible person than Hillary? The woman who drinks alcohol while on the campaign, pays people to start violence at Trump rallies, and runs a mafia-like shadow government called the Clinton Foundation? On top of this, new scandals come out almost every day showing how corrupt she is. Even if personal character were the most important factor in people's voting decisions (which it's not; I'd assume Trump's popularity is because of his America First policies,) Clinton is even with Trump at best.
You're no intellectual. Your words are those of a closed minded bully. Maybe if you want to be an intellectual you should actually try to understand other people's viewpoints instead of resorting to petty name-calling.
robzo100 said:
Let's say it is in fact "wrong" to be a Trump supporter. What is the next best course of action for making sure the country and it's people move in the right direction? Same for anyone else who wants to alienate those members of society. Is it an effective approach to your end-game? |
"To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” --Thomas Paine
If a friend is unresponsive to political reality (ex http://quantum-displacement.tumblr.com/post/146015554444/anti-trump-masterpost ), a better course of action to making the country move in the right direction is to use your energy where it might accomplish something--even if that means leaving said friend to his delusions. You can't help those who are unwilling to be helped and are unwilling to help themselves.
More productive alternatives would be to get involved with Wolf PAC http://www.wolf-pac.com/, or involved with grassroots movements to elect replacements for all the insane/obstructionist Republicans in office, or making your case to those who may actually be receptive. Wasting your time on the Reich-Wing (count the Nazi tattoos! https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W0NDO_5p3fk/VunSdRVZE_I/AAAAAAAA3Js/ZFTewqASh50AzXZph1z2Zn_DIbfK2vZRA/s1600/ra658azs1s1o1q4ozqhg.png) is certainly less efficient, less effective, and less rewarding if your endgame is to improve your country.

The problem comes from people who suffer from a lack of what's sometimes called "epistemic humility". In other words, when they believe something, they believe it with a ridiculous certainty, that they have no real right to be doing given the actual evidence for that position.
That's what you're seeing here. They're so sure that they know what's right so the only reason anyone could think otherwise is due to some kind of serious character flaw. So it's reasonable to just block you in their minds.
If you take the skeptics or empirists view, where all knowledge is provisional, and we're just working with likelihoods on these things, demonizing people like this makes no sense at all. If anything, it just makes you less aware of the facts, because you end up in an echo chamber where absolutely nothing is questioned or checked.
I've seen a couple of posts in my feeds that any Trump supporters should go ahead and unfriend them. "I don't have a place for you and your type in my life" is a direct quote.
I'm a 20 something college grad, so obviously I'm only going to see that side of things. Only right leaning people I see are older so they're far too polite to post that sort of thing.
By unfriending the other side you simply keep both sides polarized. And it's an upward cycle, or downward if you prefer. Polarization leads to more polarization.
As human beings we live very long lives filled with significant experiences. Some smack us in the face, and some slowly creep up on us, and they all change our world view radically. But that inner change, whatever form it takes, can easily be held back.
It can be held back by shame, uncertainty, disapproval, etc. When someone knows that their close ones will disapprove of their opinion they will be more likely to hold back on it. When your circle of influence becomes an echo chamber due to polarization you will be less and less likely to deviate from it even when these life experiences are pulling and pushing on you to change.
But if your friends are open, un-demeaning, and respectful, you don't hold back on changing who you are(which inevitably happens in all our lives) because there is no shame.
Since we inevitably share multiple public arenas with our fellow human beings I'd rather make it one that is open so that opinions and points of view are free to change and blossom. Again, all of us change, but many times we prevent it because our environments are too critical.
It's not always the case, but it happens that all my friends, more or less, the same political ideas than me. I don't really know anybody who's in the opposite side, so to speak. So... I'm not really sure what I would do. Well, if we're talking about Facebook friends, hell, no, that's childish. I'm talking about a face-to-face relationship. It's not that I mind who politician a person supports, but I can't really picture myself being friend with someone who supports Trump's claims, for example. I could have a polite discussion, but nothing else. Probably.
There's a difference between someone having different political idologies and someone being an asshole. Arguably, assholes don't make very good friends. Sometimes it takes a situation like a good (or bad) political campaign to see that person for what they really are. I haven't deleted anyone, but I know a lot more about certain people than I used to. Not a big fan of assholes in real life or on TV. In my opinion assholes are what makes this country terrible and has for a while. It's what makes some people's opinions on certain matters stink. "The whole world stinks so no one's taking showers anymore."
contestgamer said:
Can you explain why though? Curious about your perspective. |
It's a matter of empathy. I don't like seeing people suffer. Therefore, by extension, I dislike behaviours that cause suffering, such as racism and sexism.
For me more than what people believe is how that comes across in my interactions with them. If every time I see you all you talk about is X then it would get tiresome or if you shouted your views and insulted me for disagreeing. From what I've seen online been a real desire to demonize one another and push discourse to lowest levels. People live in their own bubbles and have little desire for debate, they just want to "defeat" those that don't align ideologically with them.
