But your pov is telling me that you don't. otherwise we wouldn't be having this talk in the frist place. You'd have seen the logic in why this strike is a thing and why VA's want said changes. But instead we've somehow pitted devs with VA's and the whole payment tree.

"as long as devs get something better", then just pay VA's worse off then devs and we get back to the whole scenario all over again. Why make a scheme to pay more than the other when we already have said scheme in place, the pubs get the biggest share, just like the Gov gets a huge share of your taxes, or a film production studio like WB. All we're doing here is injecting devs into the story and saying rthey deserve way more than VA's, it's not doing anything other than pointing out that VA's won't go anywhere if they are to be held low. 

Letting them and devs have the residual can be a thing, rather than your view where the devs get the residual and the VA's not much else.

"And yes, that makes it so that we aren't on the same page as far as importance of VAs go but that is the point of having different views... Not everyone sees things the same way but that is not the samething as having the lack of knowledge about a certain topic."

Yeah, it points out that you are pro for the devs and less for the VA's, but you have to make nice for VA's to not sound as if you aren't for them. I'm actually for both, though I don't want one making massive heaps over the other (like the devs), I want a decnelt divide, not what we already have with all sorts of industries and hierarchies. You show a lack of knowledge due to how VA's oeprate and how they differ from devs, your own Pov points out how they matter less than devs. We can go back on "what did I say?", but it's not going to change the stance, this is why you said you should stop replying and yet we're here right now.

I'm not trying to hate on you or anyything. I just think it's utter trite to see people giving less of a shit for VA's and thinking they aren't as important in any of the industries they exist in. Those that aren't on the side of VA's show who they are and they qwon't care for it as much, hence why I believe they should stay out of the discussion ebcause they won't ever offer anything of value outside of arguments against what VA's are fighting for. If you are entirely more for devs then this isn't the thread for that.

They get paid for what they do. Just like most jobs in the world. They actually get paid more than most jobs in the world. Should builders who help build a store get paid more later if the store becomes popular? No, they have done their job and gotten paid for it. This is just actors wanting more for doing nothing.

I feel like there is a miss communication some where but I can't seem to put my finger on it.

I did say I was going to stop replying until you posted something that needed replying and it certainly turned out it did need some clearing up. I did say "lets not get into that again" so I think I will do that. I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't some confusion cause those do sometimes happen.

I don't think the people who don't care as much for VA should stay out of the discussion cause I think it is more meaningful that way and it will show more prespectives. Otherwise it would just mostly be a one sided thing everyone agrees with everyone sorta deal. And this is exactly the thread for that due to what the VAs want and what the Devs do not have because it is something to compare...

I mean, this is the internet so if you expect to have a thread with that type of a viewpoint, then you are in the wrong place. And if my viewpoint is not on topic or not related to the topic, you can let the mods decide that but I am pretty sure it is...

Getting voice actors better job security and better wages isn't taking something away from other people who need money. And, who are these famous actors exactly? Most voice actors will never be recognized by name, regardless of how many acting jobs they have done. People like Nolan North, Troy Baker and Jennifer Hale are the rare exceptions of voice actors getting notable name recognition. Most people doing the job don't make all that much money from it, and will never have their names known outside of their professional circle. 

Executives get bonuses if the company meets or exceeds their targets, and what do they do for the development of the games?

And as another user has posted earlier on, they're asking for some % when the game has sells more than 2 million units.

What security? They get paid for what they do. Its not like there are many hazards in this job. They are more famous than your regular joe.

If your games bomb, you cant go around thinking what the VA will feel. You have to think about how to turn a profit.

The difference is, that regular joe can generally be safe in the knowledge that he's going to have a job even after he finishes the thing he's working on right now unless the entire business goes under. The voice actors can't trust that once one project ends, another will be coming right after. And, as people have already pointed out, if the game bombs, the voice actors would not be getting any additional money for their work. The would only get additional payments should the game prove to be commercially successful first. 

lol Yeah and this wont help either.

Then they should get work elsewhere. This has been the case in the gaming industry for the last two decades now. VAs are just not important enough. They should deal with that instead of trying to make a living on something you cant make a living at.