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SWORDF1SH on 25 November 2016
jason1637 said:
SWORDF1SH said:

But you're missing some important pieces of information. Firstly the PS4 Slim only has one bundle so not sure why you expect there to be around the same bundles in the top 100 as last year.

You dismiss the momentum of the Pro which seems to have huge preorders and held a good rank constantly on the hourly. Your reasons being that it's not doing well right now which common sense will tell you the PS4 sku with the deal will get all the sales on Black Friday. Sony, predictably, is pushing the Slim for the bargains over the holidays so it's not surprising for the PS4 sales swing over to the Slim.

Then you seem to proclaim XB1 is winning when you have no idea how to gauge how good PS4 Slim sales are doing right now on Amazon. It's number one so sales could be well north of the item at no.2. If it was second or lower then we could maybe get a better idea.

Of course you could be right about it being close but I think you're being ignorant of a few factors. 

Ok but what about the Pro which is another PS4 bundle. It's still performing lower during black Friday than any other PS4 bundle last year. Lets see if the PS4S can hold its #1 spot longer than the PS4 held it last year.

I'm not dismissing the PS4Pro preorders I'm just saying that its doing really low on the day that most casuals buy consoles considering that over the last few months people were saying that one of the reasons the PS4 wasn't winning was that people were waiting on the Pro but it doesn't seem like its the case when a huge majority of this month's sales come from this day. 

I said it could be winning because there are a lot of XB1S consoles that are ranking pretty well so they are sharing sales considering how close they are to each other. It could be winning on Amazon or the PS4 could be winning we can't be 100% sure. 

The Pro isn't on offer like I said in last post!

This will cause 2 things to happen

1. A lot of games and hardware that are on offer over Black Friday will get a temporary boost while the Pro will not. This is a very short term effect that shouldn't be used to gauge the momentum of Pro sales over the long term.

2. People that are waiting for a PS4 will now have a stronger pull towards the sku with the pricecut (Slim). Especially Black Friday when the vast majority of sales is driven by bargains.



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Dark_Feanor on 25 November 2016

I think XO Minecraft bundle will be the top seller console this BF.



jason1637 on 25 November 2016
SWORDF1SH said:
jason1637 said:

Ok but what about the Pro which is another PS4 bundle. It's still performing lower during black Friday than any other PS4 bundle last year. Lets see if the PS4S can hold its #1 spot longer than the PS4 held it last year.

I'm not dismissing the PS4Pro preorders I'm just saying that its doing really low on the day that most casuals buy consoles considering that over the last few months people were saying that one of the reasons the PS4 wasn't winning was that people were waiting on the Pro but it doesn't seem like its the case when a huge majority of this month's sales come from this day. 

I said it could be winning because there are a lot of XB1S consoles that are ranking pretty well so they are sharing sales considering how close they are to each other. It could be winning on Amazon or the PS4 could be winning we can't be 100% sure. 

The Pro isn't on offer like I said in last post!

This will cause 2 things to happen

1. A lot of games and hardware that are on offer over Black Friday will get a temporary boost while the Pro will not. This is a very short term effect that shouldn't be used to gauge the momentum of Pro sales over the long term.

2. People that are waiting for a PS4 will now have a stronger pull towards the sku with the pricecut (Slim). Especially Black Friday when the vast majority of sales is driven by bargains.

tbh i doubt that for the last two months people held off the PS4 so they could buy a Pro and now decide to buy a regular PS4.



SWORDF1SH on 25 November 2016

 

jason1637 said:
SWORDF1SH said:

The Pro isn't on offer like I said in last post!

This will cause 2 things to happen

1. A lot of games and hardware that are on offer over Black Friday will get a temporary boost while the Pro will not. This is a very short term effect that shouldn't be used to gauge the momentum of Pro sales over the long term.

2. People that are waiting for a PS4 will now have a stronger pull towards the sku with the pricecut (Slim). Especially Black Friday when the vast majority of sales is driven by bargains.

tbh i doubt that for the last two months people held off the PS4 so they could buy a Pro and now decide to buy a regular PS4.

And why would they? 

People who want the Pro will get the Pro but what does that have to do with my statement?



jason1637 on 25 November 2016
SWORDF1SH said:

 

jason1637 said:

tbh i doubt that for the last two months people held off the PS4 so they could buy a Pro and now decide to buy a regular PS4.

And why would they? 

People who want the Pro will get the Pro but what does that have to do with my statement?

Well i was speaking about the Pro and you replied to me with that statement so i thought you were also talking about the Pro.



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craighopkins on 25 November 2016

I wonder if sony makes more profit on slim at 250 or pro at fourhundred. What do u guys think



Raitoningu on 25 November 2016
Dark_Feanor said:
I think XO Minecraft bundle will be the top seller console this BF.

Took a look at the hourly and damn! there is an epic battle between the two bones and the 3DS adapter, i hope that conflict won't spread and impact civilian populations

Meanwhile the PS4s is sitting there in the first place, alone, lonely like an idiot, i've been told that anything outselling the most successful pokemon games is a failure, Sony must regret their price drop



Kerotan on 25 November 2016
Raitoningu said:
Dark_Feanor said:
I think XO Minecraft bundle will be the top seller console this BF.

Took a look at the hourly and damn! there is an epic battle between the two bones and the 3DS adapter, i hope that conflict won't spread and impact civilian populations

Meanwhile the PS4s is sitting there in the first place, alone, lonely like an idiot, i've been told that anything outselling the most successful pokemon games is a failure, Sony must regret their price drop

Yeah those pokemon sku's will be doing crazy numbers.  so anything outselling them needs a word crazier than crazy to describe it's sales.  

 

The thing that makes me the happiest is the fact that uncharted 4  software sales will sky rocket thanks to its bundle beasting. 



SWORDF1SH on 25 November 2016
jason1637 said:
SWORDF1SH said:

 

And why would they? 

People who want the Pro will get the Pro but what does that have to do with my statement?

Well i was speaking about the Pro and you replied to me with that statement so i thought you were also talking about the Pro.

I've reread what I wrote so I'm not where the confusion is. 

"People that are waiting for a PS4 will now have a stronger pull towards the sku with the pricecut (Slim). Especially Black Friday when the vast majority of sales is driven by bargains."

When I say PS4 I'm referring to the PS4 family (Pro or Slim). Somebody in the market looking to buy a PS4 (Pro or Slim) would have had more of an incentive to buy a Pro when the price difference was only $100. You make that price gap bigger then the incentive starts to swing the Slims way. The Slimjust had a price cut on the biggest shopping event of the year where bargains drive the majority of sales and that will only magnify the incentive swing in favour of the Slim. This is a short term effect. You look at all the items above the Pro, they are either new games or hardware/software with deals and all these boost are also temporary. 

Back to my original point, you can't judge the momentum of Pro sales on a short term event and I've given you 2 examples why.

Recap

1. A lot of games and hardware that are on offer over Black Friday will get a temporary boost while the Pro will not. This is a very short term effect that shouldn't be used to gauge the momentum of Pro sales over the long term.

2. People that are waiting for a PS4 will now have a stronger pull towards the sku with the pricecut (Slim). Especially Black Friday when the vast majority of sales is driven by bargains.



Raitoningu on 25 November 2016
craighopkins said:
I wonder if sony makes more profit on slim at 250 or pro at fourhundred. What do u guys think

Must be the slim, that thing is super cheap & outdated