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Azuren on 28 October 2016
twintail said:
superchunk said:

List of Partners

Will you just look at it?

 

What is there to look at ?

This list of partners doesnt mean that they are making games for the NS. It means nothing more than interest in the device.

If you actually continued reading, he explains why that list is important. 

 

Bethesda means it's within range of an XB1 due to their statement of not supporting it unless that is true. 

 

Epic means it will support the latest version of Unreal Engine. 

 

There are also several others, like FromSoftware, that only make high end games, so it implies that the Switch will be powerful enough to satisfy them.



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Poojipoo on 28 October 2016

While Nintendo may be marketing this as a console solution, let's all remember this is just as much a handheld as it is a console, and as a handheld it's exceedingly impressive. There's literally no other device of its class capable of doing what it's doing. We all have PS4s or gaming rigs already, we don't need another device that already does that, so I am personally happy for the different direction Nintendo is going to be different without being gimmicky.



bigtakilla on 28 October 2016
Turkish said:
superchunk said:

Nintendo has a history of not sharing the tech specs of their consoles. At this point their reveal process for the Nintendo Switch (NS) is even more of a pain in the ass as all they've shown so far is core functionality; home console + portable console in one.

Due to the small tablet-like form, many are jumping to dillusions that NS will be barely the power of the WiiU and once again impossible to support the myriad of 3rd party games. Others are grasping at any rumor and arguing that NS will be above Xbox One and potentially PS4 levels. Both of these extremes are based on nothing but opinions and bias either against or for Nintendo, respectively.

But let's take a grounded approach to what we do know, to give a legitimate approximation of what NS will actually contain within its dreamy interior.

List of Partners

Will you just look at it?

Bethesda, CRIWARE, FROM SOFTWARE, EPIC... These are game creators and technology giants that previously have not supported Nintendo specifically due to its lack of powerful architecture. Bethesda specifically stated earlier this year that they would not support "NX" unless it was at Xbox One levels. Unreal Engine 4 requires certain technology to be supported as such only UE3 was available on WiiU. What you see here is a list of middleware used in all AAA game development. Software that produces highly scaleable software for all major game developers. This simple fact that these companies are listed are reason alone to strongly support the concept that NS is well within the realm of XboxOne / PS4 in architecture and general technology support.

Tegra Inside

"Nintendo Switch is powered by the performance of the custom Tegra processor. The high-efficiency scalable processor includes an NVIDIA GPU based on the same architecture as the world’s top-performing GeForce gaming graphics cards."

Tegra's latest flagship is the X1. We know Tegra has been working on what has been lovingly titled the "Parker" but of which we only know rumored details including the GPUs are based on Pascual technology. We know that these SOCs are designed specifically for mobile technologies and that Tegra has decided to not continue their gaming "Shield" line which normally is their platform to advertise their latest mobile tech.

We have to assume that Nintendo is at least going with an X1 but could be going with a Parker as the base architecture prior to customization.

Tegra X1 as compared to WiiU and for top-end we'll toss in the next Tegra SOC Parker.

  Tegra X1 Wii U Tegra "Parker" Xbox One
CPU 64-bit ARM CPU in 4+4 configuration
4 cores @ 1.9GHz A57
4 cores @ 1.3GHz A53
2MB L2		 PowerPC Type 750
3 cores @ 1.25GHz
1× 1 MB, 2× 512 KB L2

64-bit ARM CPU in 2+4 configuration
2 cores @ over 2GHz Denver
4 cores @ 1.9GHz A57
2MB L2

 AMD APU Fusion "Jaguar CPU"
8 cores @ 1.75GHz
2MB L2 cache (per 4 cores)
*6 cores used in gaming*
GPU Maxwell-based GPU
1000MHz clock
512 GFLOPs
 AMD HD GPGPU
550MHz clock
176 GFLOPs 		 Pascal-based GPU
1000+MHz clock
750 GFLOPs		 AMD HD GPGPU
853MHz clock
1310 GFLOPs
Source Wiki My Thread
Wiki		 Wiki My Thread


Active Cooling

Images of the NS clearly show it has an active cooling system. This futher supports the idea that the system will need to remove a lot of heat being generated, most likely when docked and needing to upscale the images to TV resolutions.

Summary

Looking at this data we can draw some conclusions.
1) NS is clearly going to be a lot more powerful than WiiU. That is obvious.
2) NS is not going to be more poweful than the Xbox One. That is obvious.
3) Tegra CPUs are as good and better than what Xbox One and PS4 contain.
4) Based on customization with a Parker, the NS could be very comparable to that of Xbox One, but that will depend on a lot of other tech that I don't have data for my table including specific trade-offs in teh GPU, RAM, memory bandwidth, etc.

All in all, you cannot toss out the NS as technically incapable of playing AAA 3rd party games. You cannot make claims that it will barely beat that of the WiiU.  We will need to wait until January 12 to see if Nintendo actually releases the specs or if someone else breaks it down similar to how we've gotten Wii and WiiU data post launch. Of course January 12th and the time leading up to launch will answer the biggest and most important question, what games will be supported and how will they play?

List of partners!

Will you just look at it? It lists Take Two! NS so powerful RDR2 skips it!

NS to be a supa dupa 10th gen console maybe?

All you gotta do is look at the best case scenario Parker chips specs and realize it will fall woefully short of Xbone in power, then realize it will be running on a low wattage and it won't even max out the specs listed.



superchunk on 28 October 2016
jonathanalis said:
I keep wondering what kind of games from third party would NS receive. Why it doesnt sound like it is powerfull enough (neither have the storage) for running full budget 100Gb AAA.

which from these partners develop for mobile?
maybe switch receive only the mobile ports...

Or other scenario could be like HW. No multiplats, but lots of third party exclusives. For example, Fromsoftware can make a cell shaded zelda or metroid dark souls...

1) My main point in the other thread focusing on SD cards vs HDDs is that you shouldn't need to think about a 100GB game. That is nonsense created by the limiations of Bluray disc media. Using solid state media allows NS to not need to install a game you have on a cart greatly reducing what you need to store locally. 

2) Switch is a home console with portability features. It has home console appeal and form factor plus the ability to take it on the road. So long as the tech is supported, and appears to be, there is no reason these games cannot be ported to NS.

3) Interesting concept and something Nintendo does like to do, i.e. leverage other companies to build on their IPs.



superchunk on 28 October 2016
twintail said:

What is there to look at ?

This list of partners doesnt mean that they are making games for the NS. It means nothing more than interest in the device.

That is exactly what it means. They are partnering with Nintendo to support the platform. They have all agreed in some form to support the NS from gaming to the tech used to make games.



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superchunk on 28 October 2016
Soundwave said:
Companies like Bethesda and From Software also have plenty of PS3/360 games and engines they could port to the Switch.

Just because they're on a developers list doesn't mean they are making their modern games.

Bethesda specifically stated they would support the NS if it was about Xbox One. Their support on that page suggests they feel that statement is true in some form. If these companies wanted to support Nintendo's weaker hardware such as WiiU with those games/engines, they why were they not there?

This can only be related to their more up-to-date games and plans.



superchunk on 28 October 2016
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I appreciate the effort that went into the OP, superchunk, but I think it's time for the Nintendo gear heads to move on.

If you really care about power and "AAA" games, build a rig or buy a PS4.

If you care about Nintendo games, portability, and local multiplayer, buy a Switch.

The OP is not attempting to argue that NS is a powerhouse. Its goal is to put realistic boundaries on where NS will land and that those boundaries are well within the tech necessary for any game to be ported.

I buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo software, but having 3rd party ports is a good thing too.



superchunk on 28 October 2016
Turkish said:

All I see is excuses.

""bbu bbuut buutt"

Xbox and Playstation got all the 3rd parties a year after the consoles' launch even though those consoles ALSO were concurrently in development with 3rd party games, nobody used any excuses like you do, because it's normal and everyone expects that they get games like Destiny, Watch Dogs, Far Cry 4 etc.

If Nintendo was gonna have normal 3rd party support it'd already have contacted Take 2 before development began.

So why do you hype yourself up with a list of partners when one of the biggest games from one of those partners is skipping the Switch?

You keep saying this as if its a fact. The facts we know right now is that no games have been announced except Zelda and Just Dance. This argument you're trying to make has no validity until January when we actually will see what is and is not being launched on NS.



Turkish on 28 October 2016
superchunk said:
Turkish said:

All I see is excuses.

""bbu bbuut buutt"

Xbox and Playstation got all the 3rd parties a year after the consoles' launch even though those consoles ALSO were concurrently in development with 3rd party games, nobody used any excuses like you do, because it's normal and everyone expects that they get games like Destiny, Watch Dogs, Far Cry 4 etc.

If Nintendo was gonna have normal 3rd party support it'd already have contacted Take 2 before development began.

So why do you hype yourself up with a list of partners when one of the biggest games from one of those partners is skipping the Switch?

You keep saying this as if its a fact. The facts we know right now is that no games have been announced except Zelda and Just Dance. This argument you're trying to make has no validity until January when we actually will see what is and is not being launched on NS.

Okay, if in January RDR2 isn't announced on Switch then you should say goodbye to your dreams of Nintendo getting 3rd party support this time.



superchunk on 28 October 2016
Turkish said:

Okay, if in January RDR2 isn't announced on Switch then you should say goodbye to your dreams of Nintendo getting 3rd party support this time.

Depends on what other games do get announced. Just because R* chooses to not change their dev plans, doesn't mean other teams won't. Money to be made is money to be made. I really think the only reason a company will skip NS is if it is not technically feasible or proves in year one to not be a successful launch.