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Soundwave said:

It's kinda like when a porn producer puts a lot of actual effort into a story/set/props etc. and says they're making a "film" and not a porno. I mean yeah ok, it's a "movie", but when you got someone getingt railed every 15 minutes in between the story, people are going to walk out of it still thinking it's a porno, lol.

Switch is a portable form factor device. It's portable with its own battery. It has a mobile processor, not a home processor. It has an LCD touchscreen on it. 70% of Nintendo's own presentation showed it being used outside of the home. It has a kickstand built-in when it's used portable. The whole "gimmick" is it's meant to be used away from the home, it even has two break apart controllers so you always have an extra controller when you're away from home that can be used in a pinch. 

Most of the audience for this thing is going to be existing 3DS owners. It's not going to draw any significant user base from the current console ecosystem.

You seem to think that Mobile processors and home processors have a huge difference but there is none. You can easily create a tablet with exactly same components as a home console and vice versa. The only difference between home and mobile components is that home components (usually) draw more power. Mobile versions are mostly just underclocked versions of the same components as used in home devices. And a lot of components are meant to be used in both mobile and home devices and there are no separate versions.

Heck, many small desktop computers use same components as notebooks and tablets. For example, I have seen many desktop PC's which has Nvidia 960M instead of Nvidia 960, although M stands for mobile. Even common desktop PC's, notebooks and tablets have mostly same components. And some small parts are even used in both desktop PC and cellphones.

And whether Switch is handheld or home console doesn't really matter. It is a gaming console and meaningless semantics don't matter at all. Most people just want to play good games. Console which doesn't have good games is a bad console and console which has good games is a good console. Whether console is a handheld, tablet or home console doesn't matter. Heck, even specs don't matter at all if you have no good games. The only thing which is important are games.



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Untamoi said:

And whether Switch is handheld or home console doesn't really matter. It is a gaming console and meaningless semantics don't matter at all. Most people just want to play good games. Console which doesn't have good games is a bad console and console which has good games is a good console. Whether console is a handheld, tablet or home console doesn't matter. Heck, even specs don't matter at all if you have no good games. The only thing which is important are games.

This, so much this!



GoOnKid said:
Untamoi said:

And whether Switch is handheld or home console doesn't really matter. It is a gaming console and meaningless semantics don't matter at all. Most people just want to play good games. Console which doesn't have good games is a bad console and console which has good games is a good console. Whether console is a handheld, tablet or home console doesn't matter. Heck, even specs don't matter at all if you have no good games. The only thing which is important are games.

This, so much this!

Quoted again because that's how great that paragraph is! 



I see it as a home console as much as a handheld, but I do know why Nintendo is hammering in the fact that its first and foremost a home console. Think of the cost of a handheld game VS a home console game. What do you think Nintendo want to charge you for a Switch game?



Hedra42 said:
FunFan said:
Its a new concept that puts into question the need of using categories such as "console" or "handheld". People need to drop their old close minded glasses and stop trying to define the Switch using previous and, possibly, soon to be archaic conventions.

This.

Ditch the concepts 'home console' and 'handheld', and you have Switch.

Sorry guys, Nintendo would have to pay me to repeat such PR bullshit. It's a handheld that can hook up to the TV in an elegant way, but it's a concept we've known since the PSP. To me this console is exactly what Vita always should have been and that's why I'm going to buy it

The only reason they are calling it a home console is because they know that even $250 is too much for a handheld - no handheld ever got traction at that price, handhelds have to be below $200 to sell, both Sony and Nintendo learned that lesson with 3DS and Vita. On top of that, handheld games do not cost $60-70...



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Untamoi said:
Soundwave said:

It's kinda like when a porn producer puts a lot of actual effort into a story/set/props etc. and says they're making a "film" and not a porno. I mean yeah ok, it's a "movie", but when you got someone getingt railed every 15 minutes in between the story, people are going to walk out of it still thinking it's a porno, lol.

Switch is a portable form factor device. It's portable with its own battery. It has a mobile processor, not a home processor. It has an LCD touchscreen on it. 70% of Nintendo's own presentation showed it being used outside of the home. It has a kickstand built-in when it's used portable. The whole "gimmick" is it's meant to be used away from the home, it even has two break apart controllers so you always have an extra controller when you're away from home that can be used in a pinch. 

Most of the audience for this thing is going to be existing 3DS owners. It's not going to draw any significant user base from the current console ecosystem.

You seem to think that Mobile processors and home processors have a huge difference but there is none. You can easily create a tablet with exactly same components as a home console and vice versa. The only difference between home and mobile components is that home components (usually) draw more power. Mobile versions are mostly just underclocked versions of the same components as used in home devices. And a lot of components are meant to be used in both mobile and home devices and there are no separate versions.

Heck, many small desktop computers use same components as notebooks and tablets. For example, I have seen many desktop PC's which has Nvidia 960M instead of Nvidia 960, although M stands for mobile. Even common desktop PC's, notebooks and tablets have mostly same components. And some small parts are even used in both desktop PC and cellphones.

You are mostly correct.

There are fundamental influences that influence architecture designs of chips between mobile and desktop class processors, mobile will often take cheaper/simpler approaches to a problem, at the expense of quality or even performance if it means it can save on power.

Case in point: FP16 support is widely used on mobile due to it's power saving advantages at the expense of rendering quality or that Mobile chips typically take a tiled-based approach to rendering due to it's inherent power and efficiency advantages.

Of course you have devices that try to blend the line though such as OEM's using Mobile MXM or AXIOM GPU's in Desktops. (Ick.)



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padib said:
It's not a handheld unless you want it to be a handheld.

Pretty much. 



This consoles are only things tied to TV's logic always seemed baffling to me. If, in the future, VR was the norm would a console that only connected to a vr system be a console according to your definition? Not that it matters.

You can play with a normal controller on a TV if that's what you want, and that's good for local multiplayer, which is the only reason I'd want to use something tied to TV. I don't use TVs for anything these days.

This whole discussion seems to be some sort of pointless semantic issue that would only matter if fitting whatever narrow personal definition of console you chose was in any way important.

Personally, I define both handhelds and home consoles as consoles as being tied to TV's is a strange thing to consider relevant. I don't define tablets as a console because, as with PCs, they are multi purpose.

If it offered full android app compatability and tablet funtionalityt I'd consider it a tablet... and that would be fine because it's extra features to a gaming oriantatied device.



Mm.. Where is the HDMI output coming from?

I mean, if the output comes out of the base, this means that the "tablet" must be plugged into the base at all time in order to output the signal to the TV.

Can someone confirm? I mean, wouldn't that be a step back from the only good thing the Wii U had, which was being able to use the tablet as a second controller?

Basically, the question is:

Can this handheld provide TV output even when not set on the dock?



Soundwave said:
They have left the traditional console market, that now is basically all going to be Sony/MS. This thing won't be competitive in that market sense, no one is going to seriously say  or something.

It can output to a TV sure, but you could also by that metric say an iPad is a home console because you can play games on your TV through it too.

Nintendo is basically a portable game maker now, Switch will amalgamate the market for 3DS/Vita together (what's left of it) on the higher end, and 3DS will be kept around for a year or two as a low end option, but they basically now specialize in screen-based portable form factor devices, one of them just happens to be able to hook up to the TV, which is common for modern mobile electronics. Most smartphones and tablets can connect to a TV too if you really want to do that.

Except the console can play the same games as ps4 or xbpx and people are seriously gonna say "I was going to by a PS4 Pro, but I bought a Nintendo Switch at the last minute instead" It moght even have extra power in dock which no smartphone or tablet has and it will have a traditional cotroller which no handheld has so why would the name only affect anything. a smart person would say who cares if its a handheld it plays skyrim and mario and many home console games so screw this naming debate. Just call it a portable home console



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